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Kolvar
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posted October 05, 2001 04:20 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh, and another historcal fact: the roman law, which was in use during all of the middle ages and on which most of the european law is based included a definition of a prostitute: being a women who got sex with more than one man.
In contrast to a concubine which was defined as having sex with one man while not being married to him.
Not that this definition did represent any reality during this times: all women who had sex while not married where considered whores. (again, it was slightly different with men).

That brings us to the problem of pedophilia: while having sex with a 12 year old is considered pedophilia now, 300 years ago you where married with 12 (and thus had to do your maritial duties).
And again another topic: the ancient Greeks considered homosexuality between man to be OK (for a time).

Will there be a chapter about marriage? because some of the cultural differences make only sense when we include marriage.


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posted October 05, 2001 05:01 AM     Profile for Gez   Author's Homepage   Email Gez     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:

That brings us to the problem of pedophilia: while having sex with a 12 year old is considered pedophilia now, 300 years ago you where married with 12 (and thus had to do your maritial duties).

300 years ago ? That's both false, right and false. False because don't believe it was the case in all countries. For example, in France, the minimum age for wedding was IIRC 25 years for boys and 21 for girls (that's even the main reason France isn't more populated -- most other european countries grew in population faster than France during this period, and without such a law it is speculated the French could have been twice more numerous).
Right before that was the case elsewhere.
False because that is the case elsewhere nowaday, not only 300 years ago. In countries like Saudi Aradia or United Arabian Emirate, as well as in fact nearly any third-world country. In fact, anywhere where women (and girls) are seen a possessions rather than human beings.

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Originally posted by Kolvar:

And again another topic: the ancient Greeks considered homosexuality between man to be OK (for a time).


False. Homosexuality (adult male with adult male, or adult female with adult female) was really NOT considered OK. Actual legislation depended on the city state, but a greek gay had better to stay frustrated or to hide carefully. What was considered normal, however, was a form of ritualized pedophilia, were young men (not adult yet) were given to the care of a mentor who was charged to instruct him several things, notably in the military field, and who had the right to sleep with his pupil if so he wanted. (It was not unseen that later a female mentor took the new adult for some time to teach him more normal practice). As for lesbianism, I don't remember if it was accepted in Lesbos or not, but that wasn't OK elsewhere.

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"What's our mission ?
- We must get the last of the Twelve Statuettes of Gladolfera.
- A statuette ?
- It is written on the Tablets of Syeloss that only an one-legged gnome from the northern forests, dancing by starlight during a full moon in the middle of the Twelves Statuettes wrapped in ham would open the Gate of Zoralback and fulfill the Prophecy.
- But what is that strange prophecy ?
- No idea. We're motivated by wealth.
- Nevermind. A prophecy it's always so cute !
- It depends. Sometimes, it's about destroying the world..."

From the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk, a pretty silly MP3 adventure.


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Kolvar
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posted October 05, 2001 05:31 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, I was rather general. Germany is a bit more populated (g), and I was just thinking writing about this country. And maybe it is more like 450 years (sorry, I was not precise and to eager to think more clearly). When did France introduce this age-limit?

With the gay greeks: I always thought, that there was a period, where it was OK, although I could give no sources. Probably got something wrong there.

But good to see someone, who can contribute historical facts.

Anything else you could tell us?


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posted October 05, 2001 08:23 AM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I thought so as well - I'll ask my Latin teacher.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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posted October 05, 2001 11:26 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Riot Gear: what do you think - including anime-style spells? (I just had to think of the R&R-spell Frog Tongue)
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posted October 05, 2001 12:23 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Think of what? If you're talking about the spells thread, there's only one spell there. What do you mean by anime inspired spells, exactly?

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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posted October 05, 2001 01:05 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I suspect Kolvar means stuff you find in Hentai and erotic anime, like turning your pubes into steel hard needles or enlarging your penis to tentacle proportions (I'm quite well versed with this kind of thing).
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posted October 05, 2001 01:50 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Steel needles? I'd hope that would be an abjuration spell, because that sounds like something out of Fatal. Tentacles we cna do, though.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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posted October 05, 2001 04:39 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The needle thing was a kind of defensive move.

Hmmm, I think an NPC PrC based on tentacles is definitely needed.


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posted October 06, 2001 12:41 AM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK guys, how is this for a feat (Tell me if I missed the tread):

Sexappeal [general]:
Pre Req: Ch 13
You are particularily atractive to the members of the opposite sex (and/or homosexuals of your sex). When in your presence such persons suffer -2 penalty to following skills:
Appraise, Listen, Sense Motive Spot
In addition you get aditional +2 points when attempting the following checks against such individuals:
Bluff, Pick Pocket.
For the feat to work you must engage persons attention by provocative manerisms, conversation and/or clothing.
Any noticed hostility on your part, or that of your obvious allies, breaks the effect of the feat on the person affected permanently. Otherwise it can be used unlimited ammount of times.
The bonus/penalty can be reduced by DM due to circumstances of the person(s) affected.

[ October 06, 2001: Message edited by: bramadan ]


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posted October 06, 2001 04:54 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think, I like the feat, although I wonder, who would take it. Especially with the restriction, that you loose the benefit, when you are past your best age (partly, because it is hard to decide, when someone is past this age, partly, because I know of no other feat, that looses its worth in such a way and partly because there are lots of older persons, who seem to attract younger people)

Oddjob: yes, that was, what I meant, although I allways forget the name for it.

Riot Gear, Oddjob, I am thinking of retiring, I think, that I am not able to participate on an equal basis, because I seem to have a lesser grasp of the rules and less time.
I will incorporate the spells from the threat up to sunday evening into the list of spells and will keep the files public at the given address (probably incorporating psionics).

Over at the 3e-Community they got a Houri-Class, too, with some new spells.

I would suggest to publish what has been done, even if not ready, as one file in the right order as working draft (version 0.1), so that others are better able to participate and can see, what has been done.

Oddjob: I just begun to read a book about sex in the religions of the world and stumbled over a type of shaman, that starts to wear the clothes of the other gender after beeing initiated and is treated as beeing of the other gender (sometines even marrying that way), to increase the potency of his magic.
Now, if that is not a concept of a PrC, I realy don't know, what else is.

Riot Gear: I do not have in mind the descriptors for the different cultures. But I would suggest to add:
- a point, if the heritage goes over the male or female line.
- what kind of marriage is typical (mono, poly (male or female), guest, none, etc.)
- initiation into manhood/ womanhood (is there one, at what age, how long does it need (an hour, several month), special rituals).

I know, that this will require lots of more work.

Does anyone know, how I end the automatic mails coming each new posting?


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posted October 06, 2001 11:23 AM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Reproductive age is untill somebodies late 50-ies. +5 years will take you into sixties. By this age adventurers generaly retire. Only reason I added that is that I can not imagine 70 year old grannies drawing such attention to themselves. (Nanny Ogg nonwithstanding).
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posted October 06, 2001 11:39 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How about Miss Marple in the old movies?
And than there are the old and very eloquent gentlemen, that draw the attention of the young ladies.
Than: don't forget aging effects.
(Oh, and we had a half-elf in one of our group, that was about 278 years of age, when he died (quite romantically with a kiss to his true love, saving her soul (great adventure this was)). This came down to about 80 years in human terms. Do not ask, how this happened)

But, give a damn on my comment, I am out of it from monday on (as I wrote, I like the feat in general).


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posted October 06, 2001 12:17 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sure,
I concede - you are right.
I am removing the aging factor out of the feat.

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posted October 06, 2001 12:26 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here is another one:

Body to Die For [general]:

Prereq: Sexappeal

You fight naked, or nearly so. While this denies you protection of armour, other then magical bracers and jewlery, it is extremly distracting to your opponents. All appropriate (see sexappeal feat) enemies who have you in their line of sight suffer -2 on their Attack rolls and Initiative. This penalty is non cumulative and several characters using this feat will not cause aditional penalties to the opponents who can see more than one of them.


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posted October 06, 2001 12:51 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
And a pair of magic related feats:

Coitus of Power [sex-magic]:

This is a way to transfer some power from one arcane caster to the other through a consenting sexual act. Both participants have to be willing to participate in sex, but only you need to be aware of its magical consequences. You can choose whether you will be on giving or reciving side. After the act, the giver caster becomes unable to cast the spells of his highest level for a number of days equal to his level divided by three. The reciver gains an aditional single spell-slot of that level for the same duration. If receiver is unable to casts the spells of giver's highest level she gains a slot in her highest spell level.
If you attempt to use this feat on another character with a same feat he automaticaly recognises the attempt before it takes effect. He can then choose to disengage from sex.
You can use this feat only once per day with any individual character. If you are using it with more then one character you can gain only one extra slot per spell level you are able to cast.

This feat is a reason why powerfull spell casters tend to be wary abut engaging in sex.

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posted October 06, 2001 12:57 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rape of Power [sex magic]:

prereq: Coitus of Power

Works as a "Coitus of Power" feat except that you have to be the reciver and that sex can be unconsentual.

This feat could explain why many a wizard could "earn" a stay of execution when captured by a (particularily nasty) villan


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posted October 06, 2001 01:04 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
another one:

Iron Celibacy:

prereq: Wis 15

You are permanently immune to any seduction based effect including those of Sucubbi, Nymphs and various sex-related magics and feats. This feat is rendered useless for a year if you engage in any consentual sexual activity. If you engage in consentual sexual activity within that year the feat is rendered useless permanently.


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posted October 06, 2001 04:30 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Kolvar, don't leave the project, you've done so much for it since the beginning (you've certainly done more than me). I guess work must slow down if you're busy, but i'm sure you can contribute on a part time basis.

Bramadan, are you joining the project?

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posted October 06, 2001 05:09 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I guess so,
I am a bit short on time (gradschool) but will try to contribute as much as I can.

My interest is in how sex affects the main body of the game (adventuring at large) rather then in actual rules on the sex itself.

What I would definitely like to do if I get time is rules on sex magic along the lines of Moongooses Demonology and Necromancy - sex as a means of gaining the greater magical powers...


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posted October 06, 2001 05:22 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, if you read some of the earlier posts and download some of Kolvars conversions, there are a few feats and stuff detailing how sexual energy can be used with magic. Maybe you could add to it.

I don't seem to have much time either at the moment, but I'm determined to stick with this until the end (having finished hardly anything in my life).


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posted October 06, 2001 05:22 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There is another one:

Divine Virginity:
You have dedicated your body solely to your god and refrain from any sexual practices.
If you are divine caster you gain an additional spell slot of a second highest level you could cast. (Orison on a first level, 1st level spell on third and so on.)
If you are not divine caster you gain ability to cast protection of evil or bless once per day with you as the only affected creature. Your caster level for the purposes of this spell is 1.
If you willingly engage in sexual activity you permanently lose the effect of the feat and risk 1% per your character level chance of being a recipient of a curse. If you are raped or engage in sexual activity while under the effect of mind controlling magic you have to perform attonment before you continue to enjoy the benefits of this feat.
Followers of the faiths that encourage promiscuity can not take this feat.


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posted October 06, 2001 05:26 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I like the feat, but I think chastity would be a better idea. It seems pretty harsh that you would get cursed for marital sex.
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posted October 06, 2001 05:28 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I cant find any of that stuff.
Maybe we should try to get an organized file of everything that has been done so far so we know what we are building up on...

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posted October 06, 2001 05:31 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Idea with "Divine Virginity" is to have something akin to Nuns or Catholic Priests.
Once you took your vows getting out of them could be quite difficult...

You have not said if you like the earlier ones (all on 7th page) ?


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