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Kolvar
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posted September 16, 2001 05:40 AM
I took a second look on the system, and think, that it is realy workable, although a bit on the macho side (a male with a good save will be able to do it a lot). Although, I think, that normally, good sex and the abilty to sustain it should not be a function, that increases with a character level (saves), although it is a skill (which indeed would again be raised with character level). How do you intend to simulate increasing the pleasure while withholding the final touch. And: I think, it would be Ok, to consider a male, that botches it's save to stay standing, stunned.OddJob: I think, considering different ability scores for different sexual practices a legitimat way, although I would not go as far as building different skills around them (because that is one point sometimes critizised about the PsiHB). Maybe a Skill, that allows for applying different ability score bonuses for different practices. PrCs and Classes should be considered at the end of the rules-creation-process, but will be done, I expect. For such things as, who is pleased by what, I would normally say, that it is something, that is decided by the player, if good role-playing can be expecte. And I think, it is time now, to decide, how grim this will get. Will we include rules for rape? SM? It would make it complete and we probably will not get around it when it comes to pregnancy, but still, I get a bad feeling about this. Riot Gear: It will be a pleasure, to do the spells, although spells are not my speciality.
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posted September 16, 2001 09:04 AM
Kolvar: You have some good points there, I was just trying to come up with something quite strange. I wasn't really thinking of having different skills, just 'Sexual attack and defence modes' like in the Psionics system. Essentially they would just be renamed Psionic attack and defence modes. I thought that they would give the whole thing a kind of Hentai type feel with sexual combat (who comes first loses, like in La blue girl). Anyway, if you're still interested, here's what I came up with so far.Like Psionic combat, each stimulus is based on an ability (except Con) and does damage to the same ability. The table is essentially the same as the one in the PsiHB, and each stimuli and defence has been renamed to something more appropriate (corny, but this is a parody after all). As you can see, some of the DC modifiers and damages are appropriate, with tantric lore doing little damage for longer activity and Oral crush doing lots of damage. When a character's ability score reaches 0 through these stimuli, they reach orgasm. WI BT IP TL OC MoDT +1 -2 +3 -3 -5 BoRD -2 +1 +0 +6 +4 ToC -1 +4 -3 +1 +3 SoP -4 -1 -2 +4 +2 FoC +3 +0 -1 +5 -3 WI= Wild Inclination (Dex) (d4) BT= Body thrust (Str) (d2) IP= Inflict passion (Cha) (d4) TL= Tantric lore (Int) (d2) OC= Oral crush (Wis) (2d4) MoDT= Mind of Distracting thoughts BoRD= Barrier of Romantic Delusions ToC= Tower of Chastity SoP= Shield of Prudence FoC= Fortress of Celibacy The problem with ability damage is that the average commoner will finish in a matter of rounds with an ability score of 10 or 11. How about all 'sexual ability damage' heals at the rate of 1 per round? Another problem is the cost of using these 'attacks' Obviously low level characters and commoners won't have any 'power points' (or something similar) to use these attacks often. Giving them unlimited points like psionic monsters have won't help either. Oh well, it was only an idea. Any jobs you guys would like me to do?
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posted September 16, 2001 11:21 AM
I like the idea, but it might be a bit too complex.But I had the idea that for every two ranks you put in to Sexual Technique, you get some sort of minor sexual 'mini-feat' like Ken Hood's Martial Arts supplement. If you could come up with some of those I'd be very happy. In the mean time, I'll keep working on the base rules. -------------------- ------- I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.
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posted September 17, 2001 08:28 AM
Don't rush yourself on my account Riot Gear, I just have way too much spare time to write stuff like this. I'm still on holiday/vacation after finishing my degree (in September!). I've been lazing around for a few months now, but I'll be going back to study for my PhD in October.Kolvar: Having recently read some of the spells in the original CGtUCK, I think a lot of the kiss spells could just be simulated with a Metamagic feat like Kiss Spell or something. It would turn any touch range spell or single target spell into a kiss spell i.e. Kiss of Charm person, Chill touch etc. The spell would be still and silent but would not be treated as 'armed' for purposes of attacks of opportunity. Not trying to interfere with your work or anything, just thought it make save you some time. In fact, Riot gear, how about more mini-feats based on the number of ranks in Spellcraft/Knowledge (Arcana) and Sexual Technique? Some might be variant metamagic, some variant Item creation, such as create wondrous sex toys, Kiss spell, Co-operative orgy spell etc. They would have the appropriate prerequisites of course. In the meanwhile, I'll come up with some various ideas, maybe some prestige classes which have both a sexual flavour and would be useful in any campaign. See ya.
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posted September 17, 2001 02:38 PM
Thanks OddJob, although I doing the midwifery and cleric spells at the moment (and I got not much time, I can tell you, still hope to be through with these next weekend (OK, that is slow, but I do not believe, that we are done with this work in less than two month))To wmuench: part of the intention of the original was, what you experiences by reading the thread. Do you wish to join? There is still lots of stuff about getting to know young ladies, rules for childbirth, etc. To Riot Gear: When I was totally tired driving, I came to to the thought, that an orgasm should be something like a condition (like stunned) and that the way to the orgasm could be put like the way to exhaustion (fatigued, when you are fatigued and get fatigued again, you become exhausted), with more levels of whatever. Just a thought. Would put it nicely into the official terminology. We must be mad.
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posted September 18, 2001 08:24 PM
PHASES OF AROUSAL:Excited : –1 Circumstance penalty to Diplomacy, Bluff, Sense Motive, and Intimidate checks against the creature causing the excitement. Lasts for as long as you are exposed to the exciting stimulus and then 1d4 rounds more. Arousal : –3 Circumstance penalty to Diplomacy, Bluff, Sense Motive, and Intimidate checks against the creature causing the excitement, -1 against everyone else. –2 to Bluff checks made to hide condition of arousal. Lasts as long as you have SRP damage. Plateau : Any action unrelated to sex is made at a –4 Morale penalty. Lasts as long as your SRP is 10 or less. Orgasm : Any action unrelated to sex is made at a –6 Morale penalty and Dexterity is considered to be 10 points lower for combat purposes. Duration varies. Afterglow : Any action unrelated to sex is made at a –2 Morale penalty. Lasts 2d6 minutes. -------------------- ------- I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.
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posted September 19, 2001 09:20 AM
Hey, got some prestige class ideas for you to comment on.Dominatrix: Fighter type class with lots of whip based powers. She can imbue whip with various Enchantment spell-like abilities, such as command, Suggestion and at higher levels, Dominate person. Also has some fear type SLAs. Tantric master: Monk type class, gets Cha bonus to Deflection AC if wearing no armour, more if scantily clad or nude. Also has a variation on the stunning fist, can induce pleasure with touch and later, Orgasms. Children of the Succubi: Similar to the Dragon Disciple, these Sorcerers or Bards gain Cha bonuses, the fiendish template, and Energy Drain at high levels as they become more like their Demonic Ancestors. Mystic Midwife (Bit of a crappy name): Cleric type class that any Divine spellcaster could probably qualify for. Gain bonuses to heal, foetus survival, increasing fertility etc. At later levels, can even supervise the conception of impossible breeds i.e. Exotic crossbreeds or creatures such as the Minotaur from a Bull and Human. Superstud: The ultimate ladies man, could represent the Barbarian with animal magnetism, the dashing swashbuckler or the Rockstar bard. He has abilities like Enthrall women, morale bonuses to fight when there are women spectators, and extra AC Vs. women as they find him too attractive to kill. I'm having problems thinking up of abilities to fit all the levels, so most of the classes are probably going to be 5 levels only. Not like anyone in their right mind would want missing out levels in the real classes anyway.
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posted September 19, 2001 01:02 PM
Oh boy, maybe, we should just rework the Lasher PrC for the Dominatrix (g). But I think, that some realy cool Prestige Classes could be build around sex (the seductress could be reworked)Something different: After OddJobs hint with the feats regarding the kiss-spells, I would suggest the following feat: TRANSMITTING KISS (just a suggestion) Instead of using a the normal method to deliver a spell to the opponent, you use a kiss. Benefit: You may learn any spell with a target-descriptor other than self on a spell-slot one level lower than normal (a 4th level spell would occupy a 3rd level spell-slot). This does not change anything else about the spell. In exchange, you may deliver the effect of the spell only as a kiss, that is, you must touch the skin of the target. In combat this would mean, that your spell would be delivered as an attack, that would cause an attack of opportunity, that you must overcome the concealment of the opponent (a person in plate armor with gauntlets and a helmet would be 100% concealed, except when the visor is open). You may not use a spell learned with the transmitting kiss-feat on yourself. OK, I think, that this feat would be very underpowered in combat situations, but overpowered at a social meating. What do you think. Along the line of this feat, I would suggest two additional feats: Transmitting Intercourse and Transmitting Orgasm, reducing the level of the required spell-slot by 2 or 3.
In addition, I will take a deeper look at the rituals in the Relics & Rituals rules, to include a sexual ritual. I could imagine another feat: Tantric protection, that will grant a protection of +2 to any save for as long as you do it and a bit longer. This brings us to another kind of magic altogether: Sex-Magic. If someone wants to have a go? Something on the line of: get energy to power your magic through sex. Reminding me of my rune-system, that would be easy to adjust to it (crafting runes through ...). Psionics could gain PP through sex, if they got the right feats (or on the other side, could be totally robbed of their power if they had sex, like in the darkover books). I will have the cleric and midwife spells done by tomorrow. I will post the link. Most of them are just simple conversions (not much to do there). I hope, they will not close this thread and I would realy be interested, what women do think of this stuff.
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posted September 19, 2001 09:02 PM
Sex TricksAdaptive Lover Prerequisites : 7 ranks of Sexual Technique, Charming Lover, Smooth Lover, Responsive, Intuitive Lover, Species Specialization (Any) Benefits : You gain a +30 insight bonus to Sense Motive checks to gain Proficiency for an unfamiliar species. Afterglow Prerequisites : 4 Ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Str 14+ Benefits : People driven to orgasm by you are left reeling and stunned by pleasure. They are considered Exhausted for 2d6 rounds after orgasm. Alcohol Resistance Prerequisites : 7 Ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Forceful Lover, Fast Recovery, Str 14+, Con 12+ Benefits : You don’t have to make Constitution/Fortitude checks to avoid losing your erection while drunk.
Anal Stimulation Prerequisites : 4 ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Masturbate, Dex 11+ Benefits : When sexually stimulating someone in an area besides the anus (or anal equivalent for odd species) you may stimulate that as well (if you can reach it) to gain a +2 bonus to your Sexual Technique check. Charming Lover Prerequisites : 1 Rank Sexual Technique, Cha 10+ Benefits : You can use Charisma as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique checks to give pleasure in any situation where you can communicate fluently and verbally (whether through sound or telepathy or other language) with the creature you are giving pleasure to. In addition, if you have 5 or more ranks of Diplomacy, you can gain a +2 Synergy bonus to Sexual Technique checks in the above situations. Dextrous Lover Prerequisites : 1 Rank Sexual Technique, Dex 10+ Benefits : You can use Dexterity as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique checks to give pleasure in any situation where you have full freedom of movement. Disease Resistance, Minor Prerequisites : 3 ranks Sexual Technique, Con 13+ Benefits : Either the gods of pestilence smile on you or the gods of promiscuity do. Either way, you have a +2 bonus to Fortitude checks made to resist STD’s. Disease Resistance, Medium Prerequisites : 5 ranks Sexual Technique, Con 15+ Benefits : Either the gods of pestilence smile on you or the gods of promiscuity do. Either way, you have a +2 bonus to Fortitude checks made to resist STD’s. This raises your total STD resistance to +4. Disease Resistance, Major Prerequisites : 7 ranks Sexual Technique, Con 17+ Benefits : Either the gods of pestilence smile on you or the gods of promiscuity do. Either way, you have a +2 bonus to Fortitude checks made to resist STD’s. This raises your total STD resistance to +6. Easy To Read Prerequisites : Charming Lover, Cha 11+ Benefits : Lovers attempting to make Sense Motive checks to determine your desires (or erogenous zones for the purposes of different species) make them with a +2 circumstance bonus due to your communicative nature. Everywhere At Once Prerequisites : 12 ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Masturbate, Oral Sex, Anal Stimulation, Wild Lover, Sexual Combination, Dex 17+ Benefits : Once per ‘encounter’ you may use Masturbate, Oral Sex, Anal Stimulation, and Sexual Combination simultaneously, effectively giving you a +15 competence bonus to Sexual Technique for two rounds. Fast Recovery Prerequisites : 2 ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Str 11+, Con 11+ Benefits : You can recover from orgasm faster than most – If you fail your check to stay hard you cannot regain it for a number of rounds equal to thirty minus your constitution score rather than fifty. Flexible Sexuality Prerequisites : 6 Ranks Sexual Technique Benefits : Through mental effort you have overcome the sexual limitations of your gender. You are considered bisexual from now on. Forceful Lover Prerequisites : 5 Ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Str 10+ Benefits : When using Strength as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique, you add 1.5 times your Strength modifier to the check as though you were wielding a two handed weapon. Instant Withdrawl Prerequisites : Dextrous Lover, Wild Lover, Lightning Reflexes, Dex 14+ Benefits : You gain a +4 bonus to Reflex checks to use the Coitus Interruptus (Pulling Out) method of birth control. Intuitive Lover Prerequisites : 1 Rank Sexual Technique, Wis 10+ Benefits : You can use Wisdom as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique checks on any roll where you are giving pleasure to a creature you are Proficient with, as well as to any roll to resist orgasm. Masochism Prerequisites : 1 Rank Sexual Technique, Must Have A Noted Enjoyment Of Minor Pain Benefits : Whenever you take subdual damage, you take an equal amount of SRP damage. Masturbation Specialization Prerequisites : 2 Ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Dex 10+ Benefits : When you can stroke, fondle, caress, or otherwise pleasure a lover with whatever part of your body is most agile (For example, hands) you gain a +1 bonus to your SRP checks. In addition, you can pleasure yourself manually and apply all of your Sexual Technique ranks to the check, rather than just the first four. Oral Sex Focus Prerequisites : 3 Ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Masturbation Specialization, Dex 11+ Benefits : When giving head (performing fellatio) you gain a +2 bonus to Sexual Technique checks. Oral Sex Specialization Prerequisites : 7 Ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Wild Lover, Masturbation Specialization, Oral Sex Focus, Dex 14+ Benefits : When allowing phallic objects in to your throat, your maw is considered to be one size category larger due to control of the gag reflex and a more flexible anatomy derived from a very, very great deal of practice. Overwhelming Force Prerequisites : 12 ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Forceful Lover, Fast Recovery, Afterglow, Paralyzing Pleasure, Str 14+ Benefits : When you pleasure a lover using the Forceful Lover ability, they are Paralzyed for two rounds. This is automatic. Paralyzing Pleasure Prerequisites : 8 ranks Sexual Technique, Powerful Lover, Forceful Lover, Fast Recovery, Afterglow Benefits : When you pleasure a lover using the Forceful Lover abilty and do 4 or more points of sexual damage, your partner/victim/whatever is considered Stunned for one round. This is automatic. Perfect Seduction Prerequisites : 12 Ranks Sexual Technique, Charming Lover, Easy to Read, Responsive, Talk Dirty, Smooth Lover, Cha 14+ Benefits : Whenever you use a Bluff check for purposes of seduction, you are considered to roll a twenty. Position Focus Prerequisites : 4 ranks Sexual Technique, Intuitive Lover, Wis 11+ Benefits : When making love in a certain sexual position, you gain a +2 bonus to Sexual Technique checks to give pleasure. Position Specialization Prerequisites : 8 ranks Sexual Technique, Intuitive Lover, Spritual Lover, Position Focus in the specific position Benefits : When making love in a certain sexual position, you gain a +5 bonus to Sexual Technique checks. This overlaps with, rather than stacks with, Position Focus. Powerful Lover Prerequisites : 1 Rank Sexual Technique, Str 10+ Benefits : You can use Strength as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique checks on any roll to give pleasure using a penis/tentacle/dildo or some thing similar. This can be also used for Sexual Technique checks to give pleasure using a vagina, mouth, or any other orifice that you have some control over as long as you also have the Sex Trick Dextrous Lover. In addition, you can always use Strength as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique checks to resist orgasm if you have this Sex Trick. Responsive Prerequisites : 3 Ranks Sexual Technique, Charming Lover, Easy to Read, Cha 11+ Benefits : You gain a +2 bonus to Sense Motive checks made to determine what it is a lover wants next. Sadism Prerequisites : Benefits : Secret Touch Prerequisites : Benefits : You can bring yourself and your partner to orgasm using a special technique that actually REDUCES SRP damage at the same time. Sexual Combination Prerequisites : 8 ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Wild Lover, At least two of the following : Masturbation Specialization, Oral Sex Focus, Anal Stimulation Benefits : You may use two of the Sex Tricks Masturbation Specialization, Oral Sex Focus, and Anal Stimulation Smooth Lover Prerequisites : 5 Ranks Sexual Technique, Charming Lover, Cha 14+ Benefits : When using Charisma as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique, you add 1.5 times your Charisma modifier to the check as though you were wielding a two handed weapon. Species Specialization Prerequisites : 2 Ranks Sexual Technique, Have either made love to specific species or seen it make love Benefits : You gain a +4 to Sexual Technique checks to give pleasure to this species. Special : This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times. Each time it must be for a different species Spiritual Lover Prerequisites : 5 Ranks Sexual Technique, Intuitive Lover, Wis 14+ Benefits : When using Wisdom as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique, you add 1.5 times your Wisdom modifier to the check as though you were wielding a two handed weapon. Stuff Orifice Prerequisites : 7 Ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Dex 13+ Benefits : For purposes of fitting objects (phallic or otherwise) in to an orifice without bone structure (I.E., not a mouth,) your orifice is considered one size category larger. Talk Dirty Prerequisites : 4 ranks Sexual Technique, Charming Lover, Easy to Read, Responsive, Cha 10+ Benefits : By speaking to a member of a species who is Excited for four rounds and making either a Sense Motive or Perform check DC 15, you can bring them to a state of arousal. This a free action and could conceivably be used in combat, though it would f Tantric Lore Prerequisites : 6 ranks Sexual Technique, Intuitive Lover, Spiritual Lover, Wis 14+ Benefits : You gain a +4 bonus to Fortitude saves to resist orgasm. Universal Sexuality Prerequisites : 8 ranks Sexual Technique, Minor Disease Resistance, Flexible Sexuality Benefits : Your sexuality is no longer limited by the constraints of your species. By making a Will check DC 15, you can view a life form as though you were the same species, allowing you to happily make love to wildly different species. This check can be remade every ten minutes and lasts 2d10 hours. Wild Lover Prerequisites : 5 Ranks Sexual Technique, Dextrous Lover, Dex 14+ Benefits : When using Dexterity as the relevant ability for Sexual Technique, you add 1.5 times your Dexterity modifier to the check as though you were wielding a two handed weapon. -------------------- ------- I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.
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posted September 20, 2001 02:42 AM
Looks realy nice. For the game mechanics to get these mini-feats: As far as I understand it, you raise your rank in one of these skills up to the prerequisite and are allowed to choose one of these mini-feats?The first spells can be found ///Disfunct///http://ilruna.mytoday.de/CboUlCK.zip///Disfunct: for the whole file: http://ilruna.mytoday.de/CboUlCK2.zip/ I got problems with the school-descriptors and fertility has to be changed, when I know more about the fertility rules. For the other spells: I need comments to the Transmitting Kiss feat. In addition: some spells are used with the commiliness ability score. I do not think, that charisma would be the right substitute for these spells, because they increase the physical beauty. Any ideas, what to do about it? Edited to disable the URL [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Kolvar ]
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