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Isawa_Sideshow
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posted October 26, 2001 02:37 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jashin:
Just a collection of things...
Penalties: (just and idea to illustrate a point)
My only concern here is that is it fair to give one spell caster better or worse penalties than any other? I don't think so myself, unless the stat used for the checks is just one naturally favoured by a class or two.

CHA, for example, if that was used as the stat check, would favour Bards and Sorcerers, so they would typically have an easier time than a Wizard. But there's nothing stopping the Wizard from having a high CHA as well as a high INT if the player rolls well. I think that's a fair way.


Also, some Sex Tricks can be used to overcome that disadvantage by allowing characters to use other abilities in place of Charisma.

- Powerful Lover (Strength)
- Dexterous Lover (Dexterity)
- Creative Lover (Intelligence -- don't have this one written yet, but it's pretty much the same as the other 3)
- Intuitive Lover (Wisdom)

Two do have problems, though:
- Healthy(?) Lover (Constitution)... although this one doesn't make much sense, as Constitution's not really an "active" ability.
- Charming Lover (Charisma)... yes, it's utterly redundant, and it's actually -in- the document. Probably needs to be pulled, and any Tricks with it as a prereq need slight reworking.

Basically, a lover who takes one of these tricks learns to make up for their charismatic deficiency by learning to use their strengths in bed -- at the cost of a Trick that could have been used to enhance their performance in other ways.

quote:

(Oh yeah, loved the logo. )

Thanks! Really, though, I can't take too much credit. Just sitting around in a font I had ferretted away somewhere.

quote:

Advantages & Disadvantages:
I wanted to bring this up because I love some of the ideas of how this can be used. I think we could use this in conjuction with Sex Tricks, if we tried to keep tricks as Things You've Learned and advantages as Things You've Got a Natural Talent For. Of course, some overlap would be allowed, and even come about naturally, but it could make things even more interesting.

Overall, I think maybe a real Advantages & Disadvantages supplement would be a seperate entity. I might get to some serious cracking on it myself, but I do think it needs to be done in conjunction with the NoUCK in order to insure compatibility.

(I'm talking about including Advantages & Disadvantages that aren't sexual in nature as well)

It's one of the great things Tan has worked on, and I'm going to try and get into it better. The trick is to make sure they're not as strong as feats, but still worth spending a couple skill points on...

What do you all think of trying to differentiate between Sex Tricks and sexual Advantages this way?


I agree on two points:

1. Sexual Advantages should be different from Sexual Tricks, just for the reason you point out: one's a natural talent, and one's learned.

2. An Advantages/Disadvantages system really is beyond the scope of NoUCK, but if such a document does get created, I could easily see an A/D supplement to NoUCK.


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posted October 26, 2001 02:58 PM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi, I am have been a bit busy.
I have couple of long role-playing sessions coming in weekend, so I might not be terrible active here.

Mail me, if there is something you want to ask.

Zelda

Oh, yes.

Different lovers:

Constitution (Lasting/Enduring lover, you know, one that can go on, and on... )
Remember, that concentration skill is based on constitition. (Resist pain -> Resist Pleasure)

[ October 26, 2001: Message edited by: Zelda Themelin ]


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posted October 27, 2001 02:51 AM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, I've got drafts of the Beguiler, Chaste Virgin, Controller, Pimp, Ravager, and Seductress finished. Kovlar, you can download them here (they're in a zipped RTF format so they keep their layout and you can still move them around).

The chaste virgin will probably need some tweaking since she has some abilities keyed to the fundaments of the sex mechanic, which has changed and isn't quite complete based on the discussion. Obviously the Controller gets shoved into the Psionics side-document. The prestige domains of Innocence and Purity still need to be finished, but I'll work on those this weekend and post what I come up with on Monday.

Everyone, feel free to download these and discuss/debate any modifications you would make. I tried to make their abilities stable enough that they could apply to situations inside and outside of the UCK rules - just to make them a bit more enticing to normal players.

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Isawa_Sideshow
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posted October 27, 2001 08:37 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, doing some thinking last night, and I came up with an idea:

Sexual Threshold only gets counted after both partners are Aroused. With males, this isn't usually a problem, but it helps represent the extra work it can take to bring a woman off. Unless you're Aroused, there's no chance of orgasm, and no need to save. This would also work with non-consensual rules, since a unwilling partner is usually not going to be Aroused.

The question is, how do you determine if you arouse your partner? There should be several ways:

- Verbal seduction: Bluff or Diplomacy
- Sexually enticing appearance: Charisma check?
- Sexual skill: Sexual Prowess

And should there be a set DC to arouse someone, or should it be flexible (representing that it's harder to arouse some people than others)?

Just brainstorming. Let me know what you think. This could be the key to merging the three systems we've got going right now.


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posted October 27, 2001 11:21 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ialdabode: I will put the prcs on the site as soon as possible and will include them, if I someone has done some reviewing.

Jashin: I have no problems with Tanilen hosing the guide, although I will probably have to send him the files, then, and not ftp them myself. (it is only, that I am best with php for


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posted October 27, 2001 01:17 PM     Profile for Jashin   Author's Homepage   Email Jashin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:
Also, some Sex Tricks can be used to overcome that disadvantage by allowing characters to use other abilities in place of Charisma.

<...snip...>

Basically, a lover who takes one of these tricks learns to make up for their charismatic deficiency by learning to use their strengths in bed -- at the cost of a Trick that could have been used to enhance their performance in other ways.


While I like this idea a lot, I think that even in this limited environement they're a bit too much for "tricks".

The rest of you might not agree on this, but I think this ability swapping stuff calls for Feats proper. I know this is just for the sex rules, but I don't think we can get into exceptions with the way the rules work. Sure, Weapon Finesse is a combat Feat, and therefore more important and powerful, but I just don't think this should be treated too lightly.

In order to compensate, the PrC could be given the Feats for free. Ravager could get Powerful Lover as a bonus, paritally reflecting his ability.

Also, in a "low-sex" game, this would make people have to live with their deficiencies a little more. In a high-sex game, with the PrC probably being taken more regularly, I don't think it would be a problem.

quote:

I agree on two points:

1. Sexual Advantages should be different from Sexual Tricks, just for the reason you point out: one's a natural talent, and one's learned.

2. An Advantages/Disadvantages system really is beyond the scope of NoUCK, but if such a document does get created, I could easily see an A/D supplement to NoUCK.


Thank you.

My point for bringing them up, though, still stands. I would like to see some sexual disadvantages, among other disadvantages, around for use. I do think that we need to make sure we're looking ahead a bit, or there is going to be trouble when trying to include advantages and disadvantages later.

Essentially, what I'm asking is that while we're working on the NoUCK, can we please keep this distinction in mind? (and of course, some things should be called Feats, because of how powerful they are, not Tricks or Advantages).

quote:
Originally posted by Ialdabode:
Okay, I've got drafts of the Beguiler, Chaste Virgin, Controller, Pimp, Ravager, and Seductress finished. Kovlar, you can download them here (they're in a zipped RTF format so they keep their layout and you can still move them around).

I think they look pretty cool!

I thought of another one, sort of Paladin based. It's a little like the Chaste Virgin idea, but more martial, maybe called Champion of Purity or something?

quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:
Okay, doing some thinking last night, and I came up with an idea:

Sexual Threshold only gets counted after both partners are Aroused. With males, this isn't usually a problem, but it helps represent the extra work it can take to bring a woman off. Unless you're Aroused, there's no chance of orgasm, and no need to save. This would also work with non-consensual rules, since a unwilling partner is usually not going to be Aroused.


Yes! This is why the States of Arousal work so well. Barring magickal effects people have to go through the states somewhat before they can actually be brought to orgasm.

quote:

The question is, how do you determine if you arouse your partner? There should be several ways:

- Verbal seduction: Bluff or Diplomacy
- Sexually enticing appearance: Charisma check?
- Sexual skill: Sexual Prowess

And should there be a set DC to arouse someone, or should it be flexible (representing that it's harder to arouse some people than others)?

Just brainstorming. Let me know what you think. This could be the key to merging the three systems we've got going right now.


Tan was using opposed rolls. It works great.

I think you're right, this is where the merger can happen. I think applying the States of Arousal w/ opposed rolls to the mechanics and skills (ie Riot Gear's Sexual Prowess and the tricks) might be the way to go.

A word on that: let's remember that it's very unlikely that the first thing we come with, as individuals and as a group, is going to be really usable. That's what playtesting is for.

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posted October 27, 2001 02:18 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, I think I've figured out how we can combine these systems. It'll require a little compromise on all sides, but I think it just might work. Bear with me, now...

- Drop Sexual Treshold. It's an extra stat, and extra stats just complicate things.
- Incorporate States of Arousal (Aroused, Peaked, Orgasm), but drop their modifiers to sex-related rolls.
- Keep Sexual Prowess as-is, along with the DC increase chart (although the breakpoints on the chart may be changed)
- Mechanics:

1) First, make sure partner is Aroused. This can be done with Bluff, Diplomacy, Perform, Sexual Prowess, or a straight Charisma check, depending on the situations -- Bluff for verbal seduction, Diplomacy for romantic come-ons, Perform for erotic dances, songs, and the like, Sexual Prowess for warming your partner up in the bedroom, or Charisma for pure animal magnetism. This would be an opposed roll: roll the appropriate skill, your partner rolls a Will save (or possibly Fort in some cases). If you win, partner is Aroused.

2) Once you've primed the pump, so to speak, now sexual mechanics come into play. You're making Sexual Prowess checks, they're making Will or Fort saves (and vice-versa if you're both active). DC for your partner starts at 10 (or possibly lower) and goes up based on your Sexual Prowess rolls. If you fail a check, you move up to Peaked.

3) Once you're Peaked, keep going, again trying to make that saving throw. If you fail, you orgasm.

- On steps 2 and 3, I'm undecided on whether the save DC should reset when you hit Peaked, or if it should continue climbing from the same point. The former is more bookkeeping, but allows for more buildup. The latter is easier, but leads to faster sex.

With this system, the best parts of the different systems should be combined, and consistent without adding new stats or too much new baggage to the d20 system.

So, ideas? Opinions? Should I go ahead and commit a more formal version to RTF?

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Oh, and as a side note, my wife has early sketches of the iconics together. I'm scanning them now and should have them up a bit later. I'll keep you all posted. (And yes, nudity will be involved, so you young'uns stay away. )


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posted October 27, 2001 02:27 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jashin:
While I like this idea a lot, I think that even in this limited environement they're a bit too much for "tricks".

The rest of you might not agree on this, but I think this ability swapping stuff calls for Feats proper. I know this is just for the sex rules, but I don't think we can get into exceptions with the way the rules work. Sure, Weapon Finesse is a combat Feat, and therefore more important and powerful, but I just don't think this should be treated too lightly.

In order to compensate, the PrC could be given the Feats for free. Ravager could get Powerful Lover as a bonus, paritally reflecting his ability.

Also, in a "low-sex" game, this would make people have to live with their deficiencies a little more. In a high-sex game, with the PrC probably being taken more regularly, I don't think it would be a problem.


How about a compromise -- instead of making them full-on feats, we keep them as sexual tricks with higher prerequisites? I think Feat spots are too valuable, even in a high-sex game, to use for swapping stats on Sexual Prowess. It's a similar problem to swapping skill points for tricks without getting Ranks too -- the points are such a valuable resource that giving up even 1 without a direct skill benefit is a major cost, esp for low-skill classes.

I could definitely see giving them to certain PrCs for free. I can also see giving them to certain races for free. For example, Ogres probably aren't the smoothest of lovers, preferring to use raw Strength to get off -- in which case, they get the "Powerful Lover" trick for free. Of course, most Ogres are too dumb to actually have any ranks in Sexual Prowess, so it won't make them awesome lovers.


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posted October 27, 2001 02:58 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Alrighty, here's our Iconic characters! Be warned, there's nudity ahead (although not sexually-explicit nudity), so if that kind of thing bothers you (and if so, why are you in this thread? ), kindly avert your eyes and click not on these links!

Okay, with that out of the way, I'll continue.

First up, is Spike, our Male Human Fighter.
Spike (in adventuring gear)
Spike (undressed)

Next is Venn, our Male Human Wizard.
Venn (in adventuring gear)
Venn (undressed)

Next we have Ume (pronounced Ooh-may), our Female Human Cleric.
Ume (in adventuring gear)
Ume (undressed)

Last is Candra, our Female Half-Elf Rogue.
Candra (in adventuring gear)
Candra (undressed)

Anyway, there's our Fabulous Foursome! We've already put some feelers out for other artists that might be interested in helping, so hopefully we can get some art rolling in before too long!


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posted October 27, 2001 03:59 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ialdabode: Some great PrCs there man. Some of the skill requirements are a bit iffy though - Alchemy is not a class skill for Druids or Rangers, that means they wouldn't qualify until lvl 17+ without multi classing. Other than that, some nice abilities.

Isawa: Some great iconics there, the artwork is excellent!

Anyone read the main site news? The Psionics will be added to the SRD, so we can include psionics in the book now.

[ October 27, 2001: Message edited by: oddjob ]


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posted October 27, 2001 06:10 PM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oddjob, I should not have been to fast with these changes. I will put the stuff back again (version 0.1.7 should be up on monday, if everything goes well).

Ialdabode: wow, wow, wow. Great, man, i wish i had a hand for art. I will put them up on the page.

Maybe we should start a new threat for the discussion of the basic rules.


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posted October 27, 2001 10:17 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sexual Threshold
This statistic determines how many rounds of sexual activity a character can withstand before having to make saving throws against having an orgasm. Your Sexual Threshold is:
3 + Constitution modifier + Wisdom modifier
A character’s Sexual Threshold can never be less than 1.

Sexual Threshold and the Undead
Since undead creatures have no Constitution score, they generally have a much lower sexual threshold than living creatures. With mindless or feral undead, this is true – assuming that such a creature can even be aroused in the first place, an act that only the most disturbed of necromancers would even attempt. However, intelligent undead, such as liches, ghosts, and vampires, can replace physical stamina with physical presence. They substitute their Charisma modifier for the Constitution modifier.

Sexual Prowess (Cha)
You are skilled in several sexual techniques and abilities. You can use this skill for a variety of things, and you have one special ability called a Sex Trick for every two ranks in Sexual Prowess you have.
Check: You can use this skill to inflict physical pleasure on someone through cunnilingus, fellatio, foreplay, ****ing, sex toys, masturbation, or being ****ed. If you have the right Sex Tricks and enough Sexual Prowess ranks, you can also gain the ability to pleasure other species, break the will of a sex slave, force a victim to develop a sexual perversion or use cosmetics and style to raise your sex appeal. Additionally, you can experience minor pain as pleasure, force larger and larger phallic objects in to your various orifices, force a rape victim to enjoy your assault, and quickly regain readiness after orgasm. You can also keep your self-control while experiencing pleasure, force your victims to experience minor pain as pleasure, or become attracted to other species.

Table S-1: Skill Checks and Orgasm DC
Check Result / Change to Orgasm DC
Less than 10 / 0
10 – 14 / +1
15 – 19 /[/b[ +2
20 – 24 [b]/
+3
25 – 29 / +4
30 – 34 / +5
35 – 39 / +6
40 – 44 / +7
45 – 49 / +8
50+ / +9

Adaptive Lover: You can immediately determine how best to pleasure a creature of a species not your own. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DC’s below by taking 10.
DC 15: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form and genus as you. For example, a human could mate with any mammal humanoid, a kobold could mate with any reptilian humanoid, and a centaur could mate with any mammalian creature on four legs. Additionally, you can pleasure a creature not of your naturally preferred gender with no difficulty.
DC 20: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form but a different genus. The human and the kobold in the first example could now share lovers with no problem, but the centaur would still be out of the loop.
DC 25: You can mate with creatures that have a completely different body form and genus. The human, kobold, and centaur would all be able to share lovers with no problem. However, they still would not be able to mate with creatures that were WILDLY different, such as a creature with no detectable genitalia or erogenous zones of any kind.
DC 30: You can mate with creatures that have a wildly different anatomy at no penalty. You can pleasure anything that you can survive touching for a long time.
DC 40: You don’t even notice that some species have sex differently than other species, you just do it. You could probably make a Stone Golem come if you tried.
Avoid Pregnancy: Whatever your method, be it luck or fast reflexes, you are skilled at avoiding impregnating others or being impregnated. You have a 30% Luck contraception chance. If you take this Sex Trick twice, the contraception chance rises to 50%, and if you take it three times, it increases to 60%. If you are playing in a cinematically erotic campaign, it is recommended that you increase these to 50%, 75%. and 90% respectively.
Break Victim: You can destroy your victim’s will to resist you when you rape them.
DC 15: You can take a troublesome slave and remove her will to fight through a combination of pleasure and torment - The will save to continue to resist is DC 15.
DC 20: You can take a trained warrior and turn him or her in to your **** toy - The will save to continue to resist is DC 18.
DC 25: You can take a skilled wizard and break her will - The will save to continue to resist is DC 21.
DC 30: You can shatter the resistance of a cleric devoted to the god of chastity - The will save to continue to resist is DC 24.
DC 40: You can take great heroes and reduce them to your playthings - The will save to continue to resist is DC 30.
Coitus: You know advanced techniques for pleasuring an orifice such as an anus or a vagina using a phallic organ. You gain a +1 bonus to Sexual Prowess rolls for this purpose. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Coordinated Lover: When engaged in sex with multiple partners, you may make an additional Sexual Prowess check for another partner. This sexual trick may be taken multiple times, raising the number of partners you can pleasure by one with each instance.
Corrupt Lover: You know how to inflict immense psychological pressures on someone, forcing them to develop a perversion that they may or may not enjoy. Using this ability requires at least a week of steady effort with the victim in a helpless state. Some perversions are easier to instill than others are.
Skill Check / Base Will Save
DC 15 / DC 11
DC 20 / DC 14
DC 25 / DC 17
DC 30 / DC 20
DC 40 / DC 26
Creative Lover: You may use your Intelligence modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for your Sexual Prowess checks.
Cunnilingus: You know advanced techniques for pleasuring an orifice such as the anus or vagina using your mouth. You gain a +1 bonus to Sexual Prowess rolls for this purpose. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
[i]Delay Orgasm: Whenever you make a Sexual Technique check, you may take a penalty up to –5 on your roll to add the same number (up to +5) to your orgasm save. This number cannot exceed the number of ranks in Sexual Technique that you have.
[i]Dexterous Lover:
You may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for your Sexual Prowess checks.
Distracting Lover: You may force your partner to make his or her orgasm save either a Fortitude save or a Will save, instead of allowing them to decide. You may not use this ability for two rounds in a row.
Easy To Read: Other creatures that do not have the Adaptive Lover Sex Trick are considered to have it at a -5 penalty to their rolls for it when attempting to pleasure you.
Enduring Lover: Having an orgasm only raises your Sexual Threshold by 1. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Fellatio: You know advanced techniques for pleasuring a phallic object within your mouth. You gain a +1 bonus to Sexual Prowess rolls for the purpose of fellatio. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Foreplay: You are extremely skilled at turning on and readying your lovers for sex. You gain a +1 to any roll made to Arouse or Excite someone. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Greedy Lover: Whenever you make a Sexual Prowess check, you may take a penalty up to –5 on your roll to add the same number (up to +5) to your partner’s Sexual Prowess check. This number cannot exceed the number of ranks in Sexual Prowess that you have.
Increased Threshold: You gain a +3 bonus to your Sexual Threshold.
Inflict Delirium: If you bring a lover to orgasm three times within ten minutes, they fall in to the state of Sexual Delirium for an amount of time equal to your Sexual Prowess check in minutes.
Intense Lover: Once per sexual encounter, you may choose not to increase your partner’s orgasm DC with your Sexual Technique check result. Instead, you reduce their Sexual Threshold by the same amount.
Intuitive Lover: You may use your Wisdom modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for your Sexual Prowess checks.
Masochism: You enjoy pain, to an extent, in a sexual context. When you are dealt subdual damage during sex, you can add an amount of subdual damage equal to half your Masochism skill check to the inflictor’s Sexual Prowess rolls. The downside is that, while you don’t have to add this as a bonus, once you have this skill you cannot use subdual damage points as a bonus to resist a lover.
Masturbation: You are expert at using your hands (or whatever the most dexterous part of your body is) to stimulate any sexually sensitive part of your lovers’ body. You gain a +1 bonus to Sexual Prowess rolls for this purpose. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Maw Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your mouth and throat by relaxing your throat and suppressing your gag reflex.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object of your size category completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
Orifice Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your orifices - mainly your vagina and anus - using muscle control and proper angling.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Sexual Prowess rolls for the purpose of receiving phallic objects in to orifices.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your orifice
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Sexual Prowess rolls for the purpose of receiving phallic objects in to orifices
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your orifice.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object three size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Sexual Prowess rolls for the purpose of receiving phallic objects in to orifices.
Pleasure Victim: You can force your victims to enjoy being raped by you. By making a Pleasure Victim check, you can make an opposed skill check against their Concentration check, lowering it by your Sexual Prowess check minus 10. For example, if you rolled a 17, their Concentration check would be penalized by 7.
Powerful Lover: You may use your Strength modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for your Sexual Prowess checks.
Receive Phallus: You are especially skilled at pleasuring others who are banging you, using your knowledge of positioning, muscle control, and general technique to increase their pleasure. You gain a +1 to your Sexual Prowess rolls to pleasure those who are ****ing you in an orifice such as the anus or the vagina. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Recover Erection: You know how to quickly regain your erection after an orgasm. This has no use for females.
DC 15: You regain readiness in only four minutes.
DC 20: You regain readiness in only three minutes.
DC 25: You regain readiness in only two minutes.
DC 30: You regain readiness in only one minute.
DC 40: You don’t lose readiness at all - You recover instantly.
Sadism: Whenever you inflict subdual damage during sex, your partner may add that much damage to his or her Sexual Technique check result - but no more than your Sadism check result divided by two rounded down. For example, if you inflict 20 points of subdual damage, but roll a 20 on your Sadism check, your lover would add 6 points to their Sexual Prowess check to increase your Orgasm DC.
Selfless Lover: Whenever your partner makes a Sexual Technique check, you may take a penalty up to –5 on your orgasm save to subtract the same amount (up to –5) from your partner’s orgasm save. This number cannot exceed the number of ranks in Sexual Technique that you have.
Sexual Expertise: Whenever you make a Sexual Technique check, you may take a penalty up to –5 on your roll to add the same number (up to +5) to your partner’s orgasm save. This number cannot exceed the number of ranks in Sexual Technique that you have.
Toy Use: You are especially skilled in the use of sexual “toys” in pleasuring others. When using such things in sex, you gain a +1 bonus to your Sexual Prowess rolls. This Sex Trick can be taken multiple times, and the effects stack.
Transcend Sexuality: You have transcended the limits of your gender and eventually species through mental effort and sheer erotic force. By default, most species can become attracted to many other species - For example, humans, orcs, and elves have all been known to get off on each other. Using this ability is no guarantee that the object of your desire will have any appreciation of your body. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DC’s below by taking 10.
DC 15: You are bisexual and are attracted to all relevant genders in your species.
DC 20: You are not only bisexual, but you are also attracted to unrelated creatures with similar body forms. For example, a human could become attracted to a lizardfolk, gnome, or quaggoth.
DC 25: You are not only attracted to similar but unrelated creatures, but also to very different and unrelated creatures. For example, a human could become attracted to a drider, and not only his or her upper body but also their spider legs.
DC 30: You are not only attracted to very different creatures, but also to extremely strange ones. A human could become attracted to an ethereal filcher with especially nice hands and lips.
DC 40: You are not only attracted to extremely strange looking creatures, but also ones that are truly grotesque and hideous - should you so desire and make a conscious effort. For example, a human could fall for a gibbering mouther, specifically for the sensuous and graceful undulation of its movements.

Contraception
-Works with stacked d100 rolls
-Unmodifiable
-For example - Use of Coitus Interruptus plus Avoid Pregnancy means your roll d100 twice - If either of those roll under the required level, you're safe.

I have decided to replace the Resist Pleasure ability with the Concentration skill. If you object to this, please tell me.

[ October 28, 2001: Message edited by: Riot Gear ]

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posted October 28, 2001 07:56 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Where did everyone go? We were going like a sorm, and then - Fitttz. What happened?

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posted October 28, 2001 08:36 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
Where did everyone go? We were going like a sorm, and then - Fitttz. What happened?

Well, I know Zelda said she had a couple of games she was involved in, and oddjob posted once... don't know where Kolvar's been. But yeah, this weekend has been quiet.

Okay, RG, I see the Sex Tricks have been upped to 1 per 2 levels of Sexual Prowess, and that several new Sex Tricks have been integrated from my rules. Any other changes?

[ October 28, 2001: Message edited by: Isawa_Sideshow ]


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posted October 28, 2001 11:59 PM     Profile for Tanilen   Author's Homepage   Email Tanilen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
Where did everyone go? We were going like a sorm, and then - Fitttz. What happened?

I've been gone for a few days---went to a killer party and I am still recovering, it was so good ^o~

I love the iconic art. As soon as we get the rules a little closer to a uniform system, it will be cool to creat stat blocks for the iconic characters, and then use them in our examples to illustrate how the different mechanics work.

as far as the using powerful lover or dextrous lover sex tricks---I also would rather not have them be full blown feats. On the other hand, they would work perfectly in the traits and hinderance rules that Jash and I developed for our book.

Anyways, i will try and review all the posts again and write a longer reply later. Right now I need to go find the aspirin :-)

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posted October 29, 2001 02:32 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
kolvar has gone the way of all those people who still work with a modem (during their weekends) and have a broken phone.
Updated the site with the idonics, the prestige classes from Isawa and Ialdabode (I would like to hear a bit more from everyone around, before I include them in the big file. I will even include them before the rules are realy done).

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posted October 29, 2001 04:36 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi, everyone.

Iconic characters look really good, hope to see more art soon.

Kolvar, I post my spells ASEP, when I've gotten over my disturbed sleep-cycle.


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posted October 29, 2001 12:47 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
*bump just to make sure we don't get lost*

Has anyone had a chance to review my proposed changes to the sex rules? Looking for feedback on the fusion attempt.


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posted October 29, 2001 07:06 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Isawa, now that I've gotten a chance to see your fusion rules (As in actually read them) I see that they are superior in bookkeeping and 3e feel to mine and Tanelins. I would recommend we convert to that. Do me a favor and work out a chain of prerequisites for the Sex Tricks - You can put the Powerful Lover tricks high as you like, but leave them on. I'll work on converting the main document.

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posted October 29, 2001 07:23 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
Isawa, now that I've gotten a chance to see your fusion rules (As in actually read them) I see that they are superior in bookkeeping and 3e feel to mine and Tanelins. I would recommend we convert to that. Do me a favor and work out a chain of prerequisites for the Sex Tricks - You can put the Powerful Lover tricks high as you like, but leave them on. I'll work on converting the main document.

Alrighty, I'll work on converting my document to this new system. Should have something ready either tomorrow or Thursday.

One quick question: what do you think, keep the save DC the same when you move up a level, or reset it?


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posted October 29, 2001 07:32 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Reduce it by two.

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ok, like riot gear, i really had a chance to work through the last update of the combined rules, and I am liking what I see.

The biggest difference, i see, from where i was at and this is that every roll was an opposed roll, and now the sex prowess is only indirectly matched up against the save roll. It can work.

I am really eager to see the new sex tricks and how they work into this--this is the part that got me most excited to join this project (that, and the welcome news that Jashin and I aren't alone in our weird quest to bring sex into d&d).

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posted October 30, 2001 01:37 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi,

It is so nice to see we are making process.

Where is the latest set of rules anyway?
There has been so many I am kind of getting confused (not having time to read them all yet).

Riot Gear and others. When basic rules are up, what's the next thing? How about missing races.

Are rest of unfinished prestige classes coming up soon? They look really interesting.

I post couple of spells tomorrow.

Kolvar: Tomorrow I know final news about that server.


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posted October 30, 2001 02:10 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Did you notice this on d20reviews?

Ryan Dancey posted the following on the ogf-d20-l list: The Psionics content will be added in draft form to the SRD in November.


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posted October 30, 2001 02:48 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You are late, Zelda, Oddjob beat you to this massage (about 10 postings ago) and version 0.1.7 got the psionics already re-included again (g).
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