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Ialdabode
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posted October 24, 2001 11:48 AM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Ialdabode: how fast can you do these PrCs

Hmm, if I just go off the assumption that you're using the system as posted on page 14, probably a day or two depending on my freetime. The controller and chaste virgin basically write themselves

Oddjob, dunno if I'll need help or not. I'll give them a shot and if I get stuck I'll let you know which ones I need work on. Of course, any I finish and post are open season for editing and revision.

Zelda, don't worry that chaste virgin is the only representation of a cleric - just ONE. Believe me, variations are easy, since for every chaste virgin there is at least one Whore of Babylon.

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posted October 24, 2001 12:03 PM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh my God! How did 3 pages of thread crop up while I was gone? Some quick thoughts before I go home to read the threads.

Ialdabode: Try not to let the Controller end up as a psionic variant of the mindbender, something a bit more unique would be great.

About the Artwork: Great stuff at Ninja-monkey.

Would stuff like a Ravager Gnoll chasing elven maidens be too untasteful?

About Iconics: Are the Standard D&D Iconics (Mialee, Devis, Jozan etc.) off limits? I thought it would be quite good if someone did them throughout the book, with slightly diffrent versions for PrC illustrations.

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Zelda Themelin
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posted October 24, 2001 12:22 PM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ialdabode:

Zelda, don't worry that chaste virgin is the only representation of a cleric - just ONE. Believe me, variations are easy, since for every chaste virgin there is at least one Whore of Babylon.


No, no, I am cool with that.

It just hit me, that your other ideas are easily alterable, where this virgin-character comes out clearly non-alterable by default, and I don't mean twisting it to some dark opposite of whoredom.

I just thought, since cleric aligment is major role with them, there should be neural, good and evil variation.

chaste is pretty neutral, but it is character class, where any special domains in book this far can't be represented in any way. That's my major point. Spells play important part of that book.

Anyway, in book about sex, prestige class, which refuses sex strikes out.

Anyway, being pure is sort of power.

Think of Red Sonja, or monks refusing sex or other such representations. They trade their fertility-part to obtain some divane/inner power.

Chaste Virgin sounds like some victim waiting to be ravished, since your description failed to mention what special element of power they have.

I suggest multiple prestige classes for cleric. Maybe three, maybe two is enough.

It would make interesting encounters between "alignments".

And btw, variations aren't that easy, if you have to rewrite every power. I for one suck at writing good prestige classes.

And nah, I am not obessed with this. Choose you own path my frieds.
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posted October 24, 2001 12:41 PM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm not saying the PrC's I'm working on should be the only ones. I just think a book on sex should focus a little bit on everything - carnal, emotional, plutonic, etc. Thus, the prudish stick-in-the-mud gets a mention.

As for spells, I'm envisoning the class having a couple of Prestige Domains - Innocence and Purity. And yes, they will have sex-related aspects as well as widespread game applications.

For the controller, I'll do my best not to make a psionic mindbender. Expect some SLIGHT overlap though, as the mindbender is the telepath on crack.

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posted October 24, 2001 12:47 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, here's what my wife and I have ideas for as far as iconic characters:

1) Spike, Male Fighter - Very buff fellow who specializes in fighting with spears (compensation, perhaps?)
2) Venn, Male Wizard - Not much as far as being physical, but a very fiery temper and a red hot lover
3) Ume, Female Cleric - Very innocent and virginal, not used to intimate behavior
4) Candra, Female Rogue - Grew up on the streets, did what she had to do to survive, not a stranger to romps between the sheets

You like?


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posted October 24, 2001 12:49 PM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ialdabode:
I'm not saying the PrC's I'm working on should be the only ones. I just think a book on sex should focus a little bit on everything - carnal, emotional, plutonic, etc. Thus, the prudish stick-in-the-mud gets a mention.

As for spells, I'm envisoning the class having a couple of Prestige Domains - Innocence and Purity. And yes, they will have sex-related aspects as well as widespread game applications.

For the controller, I'll do my best not to make a psionic mindbender. Expect some SLIGHT overlap though, as the mindbender is the telepath on crack.


Ah, you have ideas for such domains. Good good.

Are you giving them some good "smite-bad-people powers". *grin*

Or do you intend to go for pacifying line?

(I don't think this is what you intended:
In Runequest, Glorantha, there is Goddess Gorgorma, her priestess have ability to be infertile (and cause it), and there is spell for growing teeth into their vagina, should anyone manage to get that far. Greepy, heh.)


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posted October 24, 2001 12:50 PM     Profile for Jashin   Author's Homepage   Email Jashin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Greetings to everyone!

I'm one of Tanilen's contemporaries, one of the contributors to that version of the sex guide and a writer of (very) dirty stories.

I haven't gone through everything here, but what I've seen I like! What I would like to ask is if there is a compiled beta version of the rules I can check out?

On a more practical note, I would like to address a couple issues that I have seen in these last couple pages.

First, on R or NC-17: The idea of supplements is a nice one. The mechanics of the system could be released in the core section, with the nice-happy-romantic rules for sex. A further supplement can contain the add-on rules for non-consensual/rape scenes in with the guidelines and "essays" about running a hentai game.

Second, I agree with Tan. Sexual preferences shouldn't be a factor in the tricks. I don't think a persons sexual preference should matter for anything other than as a modifier against certain spells/effects, such as when cast by a member of the not-preferred gender.

That's it for this post. I look forward to working with everyone here on this wonderfully silly project.

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posted October 24, 2001 01:02 PM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:
Okay, here's what my wife and I have ideas for as far as iconic characters:

1) Spike, Male Fighter - Very buff fellow who specializes in fighting with spears (compensation, perhaps?)
2) Venn, Male Wizard - Not much as far as being physical, but a very fiery temper and a red hot lover
3) Ume, Female Cleric - Very innocent and virginal, not used to intimate behavior
4) Candra, Female Rogue - Grew up on the streets, did what she had to do to survive, not a stranger to romps between the sheets

You like?


I like them, great ídeas.


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posted October 24, 2001 01:08 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Jashin:
Greetings to everyone!

Welcome aboard!


quote:
I haven't gone through everything here, but what I've seen I like! What I would like to ask is if there is a compiled beta version of the rules I can check out?

The compiled rules/suggestions/etc. can be found at http://rpg-uni.de-4u.com/

quote:
First, on R or NC-17: The idea of supplements is a nice one. The mechanics of the system could be released in the core section, with the nice-happy-romantic rules for sex. A further supplement can contain the add-on rules for non-consensual/rape scenes in with the guidelines and "essays" about running a hentai game.

I think a light NC-17 rating with some hentai elements would be most appropriate for the main rules. I mean, even nice-happy-romantic sex can get down and dirty sometimes. But agreed, a more... intense... supplement should be available for those topics that can be taboo even among the more sexually enlightened.

quote:
Second, I agree with Tan. Sexual preferences shouldn't be a factor in the tricks. I don't think a persons sexual preference should matter for anything other than as a modifier against certain spells/effects, such as when cast by a member of the not-preferred gender.

Agreed -- Sexual Trick slots are valuable, and shouldn't be used up by gender preference. Otherwise, someone couldn't play a naturally bisexual character without giving up his or her first Sex Trick slot, which would be unfair.

However, I would give penalties to Sexual Technique checks when dealing with someone not of your preferred gender, just because of the initial unfamiliarity with what to do.

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And on a only somewhat related note, assuming that we keep sexual tricks as they are in the current CboUCK draft document, what would everyone think about certain races getting a few basic sexual tricks for free? For example, allowing Elves to have Dexterous Lover for free, or Minotaurs to have Powerful Lover? It would only be one trick per race, but it could help define a race's preferences for sexual behavior rules-wise.


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posted October 24, 2001 01:08 PM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Zelda Themelin:

Are you giving them some good "smite-bad-people powers". *grin*

Yes and no. Purity feels much more like a "smite-bad-people" domain. "I'm pure and if you try anything you'll come away with a funny walk!" Innocence, however, seems more subdued and protective.

A prudish, pure-minded, pure-bodied cleric suffering from bipolar disorder

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posted October 24, 2001 01:13 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Jashin:
Greetings to everyone!

I just realized!! You're the Jashin who writes the Wraith Spider stories!! AAAAAAAGH!! I LOVE those stories!! Have loved them ever since I first found them on GreyArchive!

*swoons*

So, when do we see more, huh, huh?


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posted October 24, 2001 01:33 PM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Jashin:
Greetings to everyone!

I'm one of Tanilen's contemporaries, one of the contributors to that version of the sex guide and a writer of (very) dirty stories.



Nice to meet you. And you are a creative person too.

Hope we see more.


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Hello Jashin, welcome aboard. From what I've heard here, I'll be sure to check out your work in the near future .

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Quick clarification - The Bisexual or Flexible Lover sex tricks are meant to represent natural bisexuality - It's closer to a minor psionic power. Someone formerly straight or homosexual overcame the limitations of their sexuality through will alone - And frankly, that's worth a sex trick. Sure, she could try bisexuality later in her life, but would she enjoy it?

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posted October 24, 2001 06:42 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sexual Threshold
This statistic determines how many rounds of sexual activity a character can withstand before having to make saving throws against having an orgasm. Your Sexual Threshold is:
3 + Constitution modifier + Wisdom modifier
A character’s Sexual Threshold can never be less than 1.

Sexual Threshold and the Undead
Since undead creatures have no Constitution score, they generally have a much lower sexual threshold than living creatures. With mindless or feral undead, this is true – assuming that one can even get aroused in the first place, something that only the most disturbed of necromancers would even attempt. However, intelligent undead, such as liches, ghosts, and vampires, can replace physical stamina with physical presence. They substitute their Charisma modifier for the Constitution modifier.

NEW SKILL

Sexual Prowess (Cha)
You are skilled in several sexual techniques and abilities. Possible sexual abilities include Adaptive Lover, Break Victim, Coitus, Corrupt Lover, Cosmetic Use, Cunnilingus, Fellatio, Foreplay, Masochism, Masturbation, Maw Stuffing, Orifice Stuffing, Pleasure Victim, Quick Recovery, Receive Phallus, Resist Pleasure, Sadism, Sexual Finesse, Toy Use, and Transcend Sexuality. (The DM may create other types.) You are capable of one ability level per rank.
Check: Each of the sexual abilities is used for different things. A Coitus roll has very little to do with a Maw Stuffing roll. However, several of these allow you to increase someone’s Orgasm DC - The maximum amount is shown on the table below. HOWEVER, this is the only the maximum you can raise someone’s Orgasm DC. You can raise it any amount less than this, although you can’t lower it without making a fool of your self.
Table S-1: Skill Checks and Orgasm DC
Check Result Change to Orgasm DC
Less than 10 0
10 – 14 +1
15 – 19 +2
20 – 24 +3
25 – 29 +4
30 – 34 +5
35 – 39 +6
40 – 44 +7
45 – 49 +8
50+ +9

Adaptive Lover:[i] You can immediately determine how best to pleasure a creature of a species not your own. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DC’s below by taking 10.
DC 15: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form and genus as you. For example, a human could mate with any mammal humanoid, a kobold could mate with any reptilian humanoid, and a centaur could mate with any mammalian creature on four legs. Additionally, you can pleasure a creature not of your naturally preferred gender with no difficulty.
DC 20: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form but a different genus. The human and the kobold in the first example could now share lovers with no problem, but the centaur would still be out of the loop.
DC 25: You can mate with creatures that have a completely different body form and genus. The human, kobold, and centaur would all be able to share lovers with no problem. However, they still would not be able to mate with creatures that were WILDLY different, such as a creature with no detectable genitalia or erogenous zones of any kind.
DC 30: You can mate with creatures that have a wildly different anatomy at no penalty. You can pleasure anything that you can survive touching for a long time.
DC 40: You don’t even notice that some species have sex differently than other species, you just do it. You could probably make a Stone Golem come if you tried.
[i]Break Victim:
You can destroy your victim’s will to resist you when you rape them.
DC 15: You can take a troublesome slave and remove her will to fight through a combination of pleasure and torment - The will save to continue to resist is DC 15.
DC 20: You can take a trained warrior and turn him or her in to your **** toy - The will save to continue to resist is DC 18.
DC 25: You can take a skilled wizard and break her will - The will save to continue to resist is DC 21.
DC 30: You can shatter the resistance of a cleric devoted to the god of chastity - The will save to continue to resist is DC 24.
DC 40: You can take great heroes and reduce them to your playthings - The will save to continue to resist is DC 30.
Coitus: You know how to use your cock, tentacle, or other phallic object to pleasure an orifice. This counts for any sexually sensitive orifice, be it ass or vagina. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Corrupt Lover: You know how to inflict immense psychological pressures on someone, forcing them to develop a perversion that they may or may not enjoy. Using this ability requires at least a week of steady effort with the victim in a helpless state. Some perversions are easier to instill than others.
Skill Check / Base Will Save
DC 15 / DC 11
DC 20 / DC 14
DC 25 / DC 17
DC 30 / DC 20
DC 40 / DC 26
Cosmetic Use:You know how to use cosmetics and body language to increase your sexual attractiveness. This gives you a bonus to Bluff and Diplomacy checks used to attract people to you sexually. This skill can be used in conjunction with the Disguise skill to make yourself attractive even to those who would not be attracted to you. It can also be used with Gather Information checks, and all Perform checks that involve a sexual display of some sort.
The bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Perform is equal to your check result minus 10, then divided by 5, then rounded down. For example, a skill check of 22 would give a bonus of +2.
Cunnilingus: You know how to use your mouth to pleasure an orifice. This counts for any sexually sensitive orifice, be it ass or vagina. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Fellatio: You know how to use your mouth to pleasure a cock, tentacle, or other phallic object. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Foreplay: You know how to use your entire body to bring someone to a highly aroused and excited state by stimulating their entire body. This can be used to bring someone to an Aroused state or to slowly increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Masochism: You enjoy pain, to an extent, in a sexual context. When you are dealt subdual damage during sex, you can add an amount of subdual damage equal to half your Masochism skill check to the inflictor’s Sexual Prowess rolls. The downside is that, while you don’t have to add this as a bonus, once you have this skill you cannot use subdual damage points as a bonus to resist a lover.
Masturbation: You know how to use your hands (or whatever you have instead of hands) to pleasure genitals of either gender. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Maw Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your mouth and throat by relaxing your throat and suppressing your gag reflex.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object of your size category completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
Orifice Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your orifices - mainly your vagina and anus - using muscle control and proper angling.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Receive Phallus rolls.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your orifice
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Receive Phallus rolls.
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your orifice.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object three size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice, taking a -2 Circumstance penalty to Receive Phallus rolls.
Pleasure Victim: You can force your victims to enjoy being raped by you. By making a Pleasure Victim check, you can make an opposed skill check against their Resist Pleasure roll.
Quick Recovery: You know how to quickly regain your erection after an orgasm. This has no use for females.
DC 15: You regain readiness in only four minutes.
DC 20: You regain readiness in only three minutes.
DC 25: You regain readiness in only two minutes.
DC 30: You regain readiness in only one minute.
DC 40: You don’t lose readiness at all.
Receive Phallus: You know how to move, clench, and react in such a way as to maximize the pleasure of a phallic object entering one of your orifices, such as a vagina or anus. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Resist Pleasure: You can resist pleasure, useful not only for resisting forced sexual advances but also for retaining self control during sex and avoiding temporary Wisdom loss.
It allows you to subtract up to your Resist Pleasure roll -10 from your lovers Sexual Prowess checks to increase your Orgasm DC.
Sadism: Whenever you inflict subdual damage during sex, your partner may add that much damage to his or her Sexual Technique check result - but no more than your Sadism check result divided by two rounded down. For example, if you inflict 20 points of subdual damage, but roll a 20 on your Sadism check, your lover would add 6 points to their Sexual Technique check to increase your Orgasm DC.
Sexual Finesse: I’m not sure what to do with this at the moment, but it would probably be used to imitate most of the old sex tricks that don’t quite fit in this system. We could add a couple of other subabilities as well – Like Rough Sex or Tantric Harmony or something.
Toy Use: You know how to use dildos and other toys to give pleasure in whatever way they are made for. You can use this sub ability to increase someone’s orgasm save DC.
Transcend Sexuality: You have transcended the limits of your gender and eventually species through mental effort and sheer erotic force. By default, most species can become attracted to many other species - For example, humans, orcs, and elves have all been known to get off on each other. Using this ability is no guarantee that the object of your desire will have any appreciation of your body. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DC’s below by taking 10.
DC 15: You are bisexual and are attracted to all relevant genders in your species.
DC 20: You are not only bisexual, but you are also attracted to unrelated creatures with similar body forms. For example, a human could become attracted to a lizardfolk, gnome, or quaggoth.
DC 25: You are not only attracted to similar but unrelated creatures, but also to very different and unrelated creatures. For example, a human could become attracted to a drider, and not only his or her upper body but also their spider legs.
DC 30: You are not only attracted to very different creatures, but also to extremely strange ones. A human could become attracted to an ethereal filcher with especially nice hands and lips.
DC 40: You are not only attracted to extremely strange looking creatures, but also ones that are truly grotesque and hideous - should you so desire and make a conscious effort. For example, a human could fall for a gibbering mouther, specifically for the sensuous and graceful undulation of its movements.
Special: You may specialize in a single sexual ability by buying it multiple times. If you have multiple levels of a single sexual ability, you gain a Synergy bonus to that sexual ability equal to your levels in that ability divided by two rounded down. For example, if you have five ranks of Sexual Prowess and spent four of those on Fellatio, you gain a +2 synergy bonus to the Fellatio sub-ability only.

New version.

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Why all the rules about sex? I have nothing against sex in a game, but it should not be so detailed. After all, sex is not one of the main points of D&D.

The only thing I do regarding sex is check to see if the woman becomes pregnant. (After all, in a world where "Cure Disease" is so easy to get, STDs are not even an issue and are therefore irrelevant.)

At character creation, the player rolls 1d20. On a result of 1, the character is totally infertile. Anything besides a 1 will force the player to roll 1d100 to determine fertility percentage. Also, females roll 1d4 and 1d8 to determine which day of the month her period begins on.

The main rule here is that women are only actually in danger of getting pregant if they have sex the week before the period begins and during the first few days of the period. In this case, the fertility percentages of the two people having sex is averaged, and then 1d100 is rolled. If the result is less than or equal to the average percentage, the woman becomes pregnant. Anytime up to two weeks before the period, the chance of pregnancy is the average percentage divided by ten. During the first week after the period, the woman can't get pregnant at all.

If a pregnancy occurs, 1d10+30 is rolled along with 1d8, and that determines how many weeks until the child's birth and what day of that week the child is born on. Also, when a child is born, the woman must make a Fortitude Save at DC 0 + the number of children the woman has produced (children are cumulative) or die giving birth. (As always, 1 always fails and 20 always succeeds.)

See? ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, and it covers all the factors regarding sex that actually make a difference. Diseases are irrelevant because of "Cure Disease", and normal medieval complications are meaningless due to healing spells.

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posted October 24, 2001 08:28 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis:
Why all the rules about sex? I have nothing against sex in a game, but it should not be so detailed. After all, sex is not one of the main points of D&D.

Why all the rules for sex? Why not? This document that we're developing is definitely aimed at people who are interested at adding more detailed sex to their D&D campaigns. It's very tongue-in-cheek (or tongue-in-other-spaces ), and I'd argue that it's just as much satire as seriousness. Also, judging by the amount of fantasy erotica that can be found, sex is very much a part of the entire fantasy genre that D&D represents. Also, the Netbook of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is not a new thing -- we're just updating it for the D20 generation.

Don't forget -- these are all additional rules. Don't want to use them? By all means, don't. If your current system works fine, go with that.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:20 PM     Profile for Tanilen   Author's Homepage   Email Tanilen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:

Don't forget -- these are all additional rules. Don't want to use them? By all means, don't. If your current system works fine, go with that.

I totally agree. If you have to ask yourself why there are rules for sex, then this more than likely is not the rules supplement for you. I personally ignore a great many of the supplements and netbooks I see out here simply because I see no reason for alternative hit point systems or new magic methods. Its the beauty of the system, eh? So much flexabilty, so many options? =)

And Hey Hey, Jash--glad to see you here. Yes, this is the same Jashin of Wraithspider infamy, and I too ask him when we are going to see more of Alystin and gang.

RiotGear, anychance we can see some examples of your rules in action? I will try a work up a few scenes myself, but I always like to see the author's own vision too. Makes more sense then usually.

Till next time

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posted October 24, 2001 11:20 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, after reviewing Riot Gear's newest rule post, I've incorporated parts of it into the newest version of my rules.

Sex Rules, v0.3.1

Changes:
- Sex periods changed from 30 seconds to 1 minute
- A bit more definition on what Sexual Prowess covers
- Some Sex Tricks adapted from Riot Gear's rules: Adaptive Lover, Maw Stuffing, Orifice Stuffing, Quick Recovery
- New rule on preferred genders

Coming Soon:
- Adaptions of non-consensual Sex Tricks from Riot Gear's post for Appendix
- Examples of "play" involving Iconic characters (Spike, Venn, Ume, and Candra)
- Putting together the full list of sex tricks from the CboUCK document and adapting them to the newer sex system
- Examples of Sex Trick selections to define sexual styles

I'd get more done, but alas, I have to work in the morning, so sleep beckons.


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posted October 25, 2001 01:20 AM     Profile for Jashin   Author's Homepage   Email Jashin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
LOL...I see my reputation preceeds me. :b

Yes, I am the WraithSpider author. I am going to be getting back to writing very soon, by early next week. Other projects are completed, and it's time to get writing again!

I would like to thank those of you who said such nice things, and encourage the rest of you (insert disclaimer: who are of legal age to view pr0n-o-graphic material or willing to pretend you are...just covering my a$$ ) to check them out post-haste! Hopefully you'll like 'em and say more nice things about me!

But enough about that, on to the business at hand. Please forgive some of the more formal style below, but it makes the organization clear and easy to follow.

First, let me say how impressed I am by the amount of work you have all done. Awesome stuff, especially the tricks and feats.

Issue - Difficult System Mechanics: I think the mechanics of the system need to be reworked though. The points idea is sound, but annoying and needlessly cumbersome. I'm not just making this up, BTW, Tan actually tried a points system at one point. It was found to be more difficult to use than it was worth.

We should try to avoid creating a system where rules will substitute for good description. As with any RPG mechanic, it should be a matter of describing actions, and then making a simple roll or two to resolve the effect of said action. Try it out, and I think you'll find the addition of an extra "stat", the SRP, to be uneccessary.

Solution - Simplified System: What Tan came up with was the idea of using differing states of arousal. Not at all dissimilar from the states as you've all come up with, the idea is for each being to move from one state of arousal to the next. The basic idea would be to use DCs, each partner involved in the sex to roll thier Sexual Prowess (or whatever we call it) against a DC to increase their partners arousal.

Moving from one state to the next this way has the advantage of much simplified record keeping.

Integration of the two ideas seems ideal, especially since you folks have already done some fantastic stuff! Check this out:

Integrating the Systems: The goal here is to try and take the advantages of both systems and squish 'em together to make something really solid. I think using the States of Arousal concept is really good. The tricks are too amazing, and I'm sure we can keep everything.

If we use the idea of rolling against a target DC to change the "Arousal State" of your partner, then implementing the tricks is very simple. When you wish to use a trick, and this also neatly integrates the DC of the tricks as Riot Gear has them, you roll to succeed at the trick. If you succeed, then the DC to modify your partners state is effected.

In order to encourage the use of this system as I've outlined it, the mechanics should probably make the DC relatively high for "vanilla" sex. If you don't try something...interesting, then your roll is harder than it would be if you are clever and skilled.

A thought on this: we could maybe make a slightly modified rule on how the tricks are implemented. Right now you get a new trick for every point you have in the skill, correct? What about seperating them, so that you can buy either a trick or a rank for a skill point, with the max number of tricks equal to your ranks in the Sexual Prowess?

Example: at first level, Candra the Rogue spends a whopping eight points on Sexual Prowess (this considers it's a class skill). This buys her a full max starting of Sexual Prowess +4, plus four sex tricks of her choice.

I'm not sure about that, but it was an idea I thought should be submitted for review. I do think it allows for some interesting possibilities. You could be a very skilled but unimaginative lover, or maybe have a slightly lower actual skill, but some interesting 'tricks' to please your partner(s) with.

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That's it for this post.

One thing, Riot Gear, in an earlier post you wrote "Quick clarification - The Bisexual or Flexible Lover sex tricks are meant to represent natural bisexuality - "

I take it from the remainder of the post that the "are" should be an "aren't"?

In other words, at first level one can pick their characters sexual orientation for free, be it hetero, homo or bi? But if they wish to change it later they can 'purchase' it with a trick? Was that your intent?

[ October 25, 2001: Message edited by: Jashin ]

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posted October 25, 2001 03:29 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mhmm, lots and lots of posts:
first welcome Jashin! I will try to read your stories, as soon as I have found some time.

Ialdabode: The Iconics look good from the description.

Isawa: I will put your new Version to t drafts.

Riot Gear: Your stuff will be added to the Tenilen-Riot Gear draft.

And now, I got to read all that stuff (phew).


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posted October 25, 2001 05:29 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, I am not certain if this has been discussed yet, so here it goes.

Hazards of Sexual Encounters
or "Oh, dear, I am sure that troll won't mind"

Sex can be dangerous, even in real world. I don't speak about disease, or social complications. More of issue here is sex in public (movie theaters, parks, other people's bathrooms, public toilets, cars etc.)

But sex in middle of the adventure. Lovers tend to get passionate, even in most awkard situations, and thinking about those long week trips in deep dark woods, uncharted territories, dungeons, lost temples and many such places.

If character also has some obsession, to have sex in especially dangerous places, or after getting aggressive (like soon after combat), that arises new questions, which I won't even present here.

How loud having sex is? How much bonus avarage monster get's into it's listed DC? And what is DC:s for keeping it down?

Casting a spell during sex, what are the concentration DC penality for those not iniatated into arts of sex-magicks?

Is it easier for sorcerers and bards to cast spells during sex (they use charisma for spell-casting, and they might have used to do metamagic on the fly [1 round it only 6 seconds]).

How about turning undead during sex?

How much time it should take to get all clothes back on (or off) in the middle of the crisis? Is this any harder, than just removing/putting armor on.

How about shapechanges/polymorphs during sex anyone wants to cover those?

What it takes, to be able to enjoy sex anywhere, anytime?

Well, just something, that came to my mind.


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posted October 25, 2001 05:45 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You suggested it, have a go and make the rules.
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posted October 25, 2001 06:06 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
You suggested it, have a go and make the rules.

Give me more ideas of how, and I will try.
However, somebody who is making the main rules would have in incorporate them anyway, and I tend to write very confusingly.

And I was asking anyway, as a sense, if anybody has given that kind of things a thought yet. I don't have a clear idea of them yet, and I have to go through newest set of rules first.

If you are at all interested, give me something more than "you do it".
Heh, since Kolvar already said that.

Oh, please, people, give me ideas.

(Oh, that was BADLY written english. )


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posted October 25, 2001 06:52 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Zelda: take your own considerations and start from there: put modifications on sport/ listen etc. checks, saves. Just a list. As you said, there will probably some modificating to do, to incorporate the final rules.

Isawa: Could your wife do something like a header, something we could use for the guide and the page (or something like a logo for the guid)?


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