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Riot Gear
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posted October 24, 2001 08:53 AM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
R rated implies normal sex as part of something else - Not as the focus of the story. Basically, anything before pornography is R. That's why I think we should go with NC-17.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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Kolvar
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posted October 24, 2001 09:00 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
could we go for abything else, I mean, we do the guide for the sex, not the sex as part of the guide?
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Isawa_Sideshow
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posted October 24, 2001 09:18 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
Isawa, while there are only a few checks involved in the process, keep
in mind that the DC's of these checks will start crazy high, and I will be
adding ways to keep things going. You'll be able to simulate an hour long
tantric love fest with the rules when I finish em' - It'll just take
forever.

So, how soon will we get to see your version of the rules? I'm interested in
seeing how different our two systems are.

I am glad you're keeping sex tricks in, though. Personally, I love the sex
trick idea, as it allows different lovers to have completely different
sexual styles. As I was working on my document last night, I counted around
45 tricks between my document and v.0.1.5 of the CboUCK, and I have ideas
for more! I love the idea that two sexual champions with 20 ranks in Sexual
Technique can have completely different styles with little to no overlap.


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posted October 24, 2001 09:23 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
I enthusiastically vote for NC-17 rated guide. In the immortal words of Woody Allen, "Sex is dirty when you do it right." Let's do it right.

Absolutely! This brings in mind a question... how risque/explicit would you want the artwork for the guide to be? My wife wants to know so she can possibly get started on some ideas.

quote:

I can tweak my rules to work with 1 minute rounds no problem. Expect to see them edited later today.

Great! I look forward to seeing them.


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posted October 24, 2001 09:28 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zelda Themelin:

Good cleric curing world with free good sex, helping couples with pleasure spells, love spells, and fertility spells.

I think something in this vein is a must-have. Someone who's adept at "sexual healing," so to speak. Perhaps a variation of a paladin's "lay on hands" ability that works only during orgasm.

Requirements could include any good alignment, ability to cast X level divine spells, X ranks of Sexual Technique, and (if sex tricks are used) the Intuitive Lover and Spiritual Lover sex tricks.


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Kolvar
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posted October 24, 2001 09:28 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Isawa, this sounds, as if you plan to do a sex-arena (or even a rule Chainmail-Bikini for sex skirmishs): I will pit may sex champion against yours. And when has come, the crowd will decide, if the looser stays alive.

(some strange campaign ideas come to my mind: - duell: choose your weapons!
- The pits of the slavelords become new meaning.
- Against the Giants
- Return to the temple of sexual evil.
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I think I need to have to go to a lockable room)


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posted October 24, 2001 09:30 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Isawa, this sounds, as if you plan to do a sex-arena (or even a rule Chainmail-Bikini for sex skirmishs): I will pit may sex champion against yours. And when has come, the crowd will decide, if the looser stays alive.

Actually, by "sexual champion" I only meant someone who's extremely well versed in sexual technique and is an amazing lover. I hadn't thought of gladiatorial sex contests.


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Kolvar
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posted October 24, 2001 09:32 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The art: no rape
(I think a degree along the art of dorian and royo would be fine)

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Zelda Themelin
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posted October 24, 2001 09:41 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
The art: no rape
(I think a degree along the art of dorian and royo would be fine)

Bondage and unhuman creatures are ok IMO, I vote for them. Ryo style with a bit more action could be fun.

I don't mean it all would have to be strait porn, that too.

Humor is fine, but not everywhere.

Equipment, in use or just presented (like Riot Gear suggested).

Also, see my earlier suggestions.

"I'd add, that pictures of prestige classes, some spells in action (see Tome&Blood for common ideas) and maybe some happy themed picture of party visiting brothel of some fantasy town.

Also, pictures for new races (if any).

Maybe our own iconic characters.

I'd say, that style could vary depending on theme from romantic to kinky, to erotic, to maybe even perverse, but within taste.


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posted October 24, 2001 09:44 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
The art: no rape
(I think a degree along the art of dorian and royo would be fine)

So full-frontal nudity and tastefully done sex -- no explicit porn-style penetration shots? I think we can do that.


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posted October 24, 2001 09:47 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Maybe 4 iconic characters would be great, 2 male, 2 female. For the homosexual part.
Can you show us some art of your wife?

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posted October 24, 2001 09:53 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Maybe 4 iconic characters would be great, 2 male, 2 female. For the homosexual part.
Can you show us some art of your wife?

Definitely. You can find her art at
Ninja-Monkey.com. She does have a Mature Art gallery, but be warned... there's a bit of yaoi (M/M manga for the uninitiated) in there, if that sort of thing bothers you.


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Zelda Themelin
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posted October 24, 2001 09:54 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:

So full-frontal nudity and tastefully done sex -- no explicit porn-style penetration shots? I think we can do that.


Is this something you have in mind?, I'd say something a bit more explicit would be in order, but not that much.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~zelda/pic/


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posted October 24, 2001 10:02 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, the biggest Archive, I have found so far is http://www.fantasya.net/

We should refrain from taking original pictures from well known artists, because, well, they are well known and they are not realy public domain.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:03 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:

Definitely. You can find her art at
Ninja-Monkey.com. She does have a Mature Art gallery, but be warned... there's a bit of yaoi (M/M manga for the uninitiated) in there, if that sort of thing bothers you.


Oh, great pictures.

Gotta love them. None of it bothers me even a bit.

We could have them all IMO.

Added:

Very Sephiroth looking man in kyohyocolor.jpg,
coincidence?

[ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: Zelda Themelin ]


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posted October 24, 2001 10:05 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
OK, the biggest Archive, I have found so far is http://www.fantasya.net/

We should refrain from taking original pictures from well known artists, because, well, they are well known and they are not realy public domain.


Of course. I don't want to use anything by known artist without asking them. Those were just an idea of one style, not saying we should actually use those.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:14 AM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
R rated implies normal sex as part of something else - Not as the focus of the story. Basically, anything before pornography is R. That's why I think we should go with NC-17.

It was I who was pushing for R - not put of puritanism but because I felt it would be more usefull. If you guys decide to go with more sex-focused I wish you best of luck but am not sure I will be able to help much.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:17 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
realy nice, I especially like the back and white pictures. Some of them look a bit DiTerlizzi (spelling?), very nice, indeed.
Greatings to your wife.
But one thing: she does that for a living: if she does art for us, would that not hamper her?

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Zelda Themelin
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posted October 24, 2001 10:20 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Isawa_Sideshow:

I think something in this vein is a must-have. Someone who's adept at "sexual healing," so to speak. Perhaps a variation of a paladin's "lay on hands" ability that works only during orgasm.

Requirements could include any good alignment, ability to cast X level divine spells, X ranks of Sexual Technique, and (if sex tricks are used) the Intuitive Lover and Spiritual Lover sex tricks.


Well, abilities should be useful in normal game terms too. Cleric spell levels, concenration on positive fertility/sex prestige domains, and of course skills in sex.

Lay on hands ability, if it is extra class power that could be well, on higher levels it could be something like "orgasmtic greater restoration or heal" once per day (without need of other material components).

Some pacifying seduction power, with possibilities for deeper delving too, if wanted:

"Grim Troll looked into her eyes, and was tamed to surrender to gentleness of her love."


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posted October 24, 2001 10:23 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
realy nice, I especially like the back and white pictures. Some of them look a bit DiTerlizzi (spelling?), very nice, indeed.
Greatings to your wife.
But one thing: she does that for a living: if she does art for us, would that not hamper her?

DiTerlizzi is one of her heroes.

And yes, that is one concern of hers. She's already got art for four books that she has to work on, and character portraits for an upcoming game we're in besides, so her time's at a premium. However, she can network with other artist friends of hers and get more people interested, so there's less pressure on her to do all the art.

One thing we should do would be to get the Iconic characters nailed down quickly, so that those are available for other artists to work from. How stereotypical do we want these? I'm thinking:

1) Male Fighter (The physical lover)
2) Male Wizard (The mental lover)
3) Female Cleric (The "nice" girl)
4) Female Rogue (The "naughty" girl)

The four most common classes with four of the most common sexual stereotypes. Sound interesting?


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posted October 24, 2001 10:26 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sounds good, Although I had thought of something along the lines of teh PrCs, this is probably better (one picture of the nice girl being pregnant comes to mind)
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posted October 24, 2001 10:27 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bramadan:

It was I who was pushing for R - not put of puritanism but because I felt it would be more usefull. If you guys decide to go with more sex-focused I wish you best of luck but am not sure I will be able to help much.


Going to more sex-focuced doesn't mean other material wouldn't be needed. Just for those those regular games you are speaking about, as plot-elements, and maybe for some romance, even sex.

I think telling more, is better than telling less. I think idea is cover more ground.

I think, Riot Gear and Kolvar and others would acreed to make 'Lite-version', directed toward more regular campaing use.

With perhaps less sex-orienteted ideas on fertility priestessess, professionals of seduction, rituals, and so on.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:29 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Sounds good, Although I had thought of something along the lines of teh PrCs, this is probably better (one picture of the nice girl being pregnant comes to mind)

I think you could show "Iconics as PrCs" or "Iconic has encounter with PrC" for the prestige class chapter.


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posted October 24, 2001 10:31 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You are all writing to fast for me, Now I have missed a post:
Yes, as Zelda stated, we need lots of Campaign material: like Brothels, Homosexuality issues etc.

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posted October 24, 2001 11:17 AM     Profile for Tanilen   Author's Homepage   Email Tanilen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi all--I am on my way to work, so I dont have much time for a post. I just wanted to mention one thing that had been bothering me about the sex tricks that I keep forgetting to mention---I dont think the sexual preference related sex tricks should be used--if i want to play a bisexual female rogue, I should not have to waste a sex trick for that. Also, if this same rogue only decides later on in life she wants to try bisexuality, again, it should not require a sex trick.

Ofcourse, i could have clearly missed the point of the sections---please help.

talk to all more in depth tonight.

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"I drank what?"


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