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Riot Gear
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posted October 23, 2001 08:09 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sexual Prowess (Cha)
You are skilled in several sexual techniques and abilities. Possible sexual abilities include Adaptive Lover, Break Victim, Coitus, Corrupt Lover, Cosmetic Use, Cunnilingus, Drug Use, Fellatio, Foreplay, Masochism, Massage, Masturbation, Maw Stuffing, Orifice Stuffing, Pleasure Victim, Quick Recovery, Remove Inhibitions, Resist Pleasure, Sadism, Toy Use, Transcend Sexuality, and Vagina Control. (The DM may create other types.) You are capable of one ability level per rank.
Check: Each of the sexual abilities is used for different things. A Coitus roll has very little to do with a Maw Stuffing roll.
Adaptive Lover: You can immediately determine how best to pleasure a creature of a species not your own. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DCís below by taking 10.
DC 15: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form and genus as you. For example, a human could mate with any mammal humanoid, a kobold could mate with any reptilian humanoid, and a centaur could mate with any mammalian creature on four legs. Additionally, you can pleasure a creature not of your naturally preferred gender with no difficulty.
DC 20: You can mate with creatures that have the same general body form but a different genus. The human and the kobold in the first example could now share lovers with no problem, but the centaur would still be out of the loop.
DC 25: You can mate with creatures that have a completely different body form and genus. The human, kobold, and centaur would all be able to share lovers with no problem. However, they still would not be able to mate with creatures that were WILDLY different, such as a creature with no detectable genitalia or erogenous zones of any kind.
DC 30: You can mate with creatures that have a wildly different anatomy at no penalty. You can pleasure anything that you can survive touching for a long time.
DC 40: You donít even notice that some species have sex differently than other species, you just do it. You could probably make a Stone Golem come if you tried.
Break Victim: You can destroy your victimís will to resist you when you rape them.
DC 15: You can take a troublesome slave and remove her will to fight through a combination of pleasure and torment - The will save to continue to resist is DC 15.
DC 20: You can take a trained warrior and turn him or her in to your **** toy - The will save to continue to resist is DC 18.
DC 25: You can take a skilled wizard and break her will - The will save to continue to resist is DC 21.
DC 30: You can shatter the resistance of a cleric devoted to the god of chastity - The will save to continue to resist is DC 24.
DC 40: You can take great heroes and reduce them to your playthings - The will save to continue to resist is DC 30.
Coitus: You know how to use your cock, tentacle, or other phallic object to pleasure an orifice. This counts for any sexually sensitive orifice, be it ass or vagina. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Corrupt Lover: You know how to inflict immense psychological pressures on someone, forcing them to develop a perversion that they may or may not enjoy. Using this ability requires at least a week of steady effort with the victim in a helpless state. Some perversions are easier to instill than others.
Skill Check / Base Will Save
DC 15 / DC 11
DC 20 / DC 14
DC 25 / DC 17
DC 30 / DC 20
DC 40 / DC 26
Cosmetic Use: You know how to use cosmetics and body language to increase your sexual attractiveness. This gives you a bonus to Bluff and Diplomacy checks used to attract people to you sexually. This skill can be used in conjunction with the Disguise skill to make yourself attractive even to those who would not be attracted to you. It can also be used with Gather Information checks, and all Perform checks that involve a sexual display of some sort.
The bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information, and Perform is equal to your check result minus 10, then divided by 5, then rounded down. For example, a skill check of 22 would give a bonus of +2.
Cunnilingus: You know how to use your mouth to pleasure an orifice. This counts for any sexually sensitive orifice, be it ass or vagina. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Fellatio: You know how to use your mouth to pleasure a cock, tentacle, or other phallic object. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Foreplay: You know how to use your entire body to bring someone to a highly aroused and excited state by stimulating their entire body. This can be used to bring someone to an Aroused state or to slowly increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Masochism: You enjoy pain, to an extent, in a sexual context. When you are dealt subdual damage during sex, you can add an amount of subdual damage equal to half your Masochism skill check to the inflictorís Sexual Prowess rolls. The downside is that, while you donít have to add this as a bonus, once you have this skill you cannot use subdual damage points as a bonus to resist a lover.
Masturbation: You know how to use your hands (or whatever you have instead of hands) to pleasure genitals of either gender. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Maw Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your mouth and throat by relaxing your throat and suppressing your gag reflex.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object of your size category completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your mouth.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your mouth, gaining a +2 Circumstance bonus to Fellatio rolls.
Orifice Stuffing: You know how to fit unusually large objects of phallic form in to your orifices - mainly your vagina and anus - using muscle control and proper angling.
DC 15: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you partially in to your orifice.
DC 20: You can fit a phallic object one size category larger than you completely in to your orifice.
DC 25: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice.
DC 30: You can fit a phallic object two size categories larger than you completely in to your orifice.
DC 40: You can fit a phallic object three size categories larger than you partially in to your orifice.
Pleasure Victim: You can force your victims to enjoy being raped by you. By making a Pleasure Victim check, you can make an opposed skill check against their Resist Pleasure roll.
Quick Recovery: You know how to quickly regain your erection after an orgasm. This has no use for females.
DC 15: You regain readiness in only four minutes.
DC 20: You regain readiness in only three minutes.
DC 25: You regain readiness in only two minutes.
DC 30: You regain readiness in only one minute.
DC 40: You regain readiness in only thirty seconds.
Resist Pleasure: You can resist pleasure, useful not only for resisting forced sexual advances but also for retaining self control during sex and avoiding temporary Wisdom loss.
Iím not totally sure how to do this. Iíll need to talk to Tanelin.
Sadism: I think that Iíll have to work with Tanelin on this as well.
Toy Use: You know how to use dildos and other toys to give pleasure in whatever way they are made for. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Transcend Sexuality: You have transcended the limits of your gender and eventually species through mental effort and sheer erotic force. By default, most species can become attracted to many other species - For example, humans, orcs, and elves have all been known to get off on each other. Using this ability is no guarantee that the object of your desire will have any appreciation of your body. In order to use this ability you must be able to make the DCís below by taking 10.
DC 15: You are bisexual and are attracted to all relevant genders in your species.
DC 20: You are not only bisexual, but you are also attracted to unrelated creatures with similar body forms. For example, a human could become attracted to a lizardfolk, gnome, or quaggoth.
DC 25: You are not only attracted to similar but unrelated creatures, but also to very different and unrelated creatures. For example, a human could become attracted to a drider, and not only his or her upper body but also their spider legs.
DC 30: You are not only attracted to very different creatures, but also to extremely strange ones. A human could become attracted to an ethereal filcher with especially nice hands and lips.
DC 40: You are not only attracted to extremely strange looking creatures, but also ones that are truly grotesque and hideous - Should you so desire and make a conscious effort to. For example, a human could fall for a gibbering mouther, specifically the sensuous and graceful undulation of its movements.
Vagina Control: You can control the muscles in your vagina and pleasure phallic objects inside them using this ability. You can use this sub ability to increase someoneís orgasm save DC.
Special: You may specialize in a single sexual ability by buying it multiple times. If you have multiple levels of a single sexual ability, you gain a Synergy bonus to that sexual ability equal to your levels in that ability divided by two rounded down. For example, if you have five ranks of Sexual Prowess and spent four of those on Fellatio, you gain a +2 synergy bonus to the Fellatio sub-ability only.

You may have noticed references to Orgasm Save DC. Tanelins work in that section looked like too good a piece of work to throw away, so I recommend we integrate this and his work.

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Isawa_Sideshow
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posted October 23, 2001 10:18 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So, how does this system work? From reading Tanelin's document, it seems to be mostly the following:

1) Choose the maneuver.
2) Make a Sexual Prowess roll against a set DC.
3) Did you make the DC? Yay! Your partner orgasms. (Or at least moves one step closer to orgasm, with apparently no more than 3 steps required.)

There's a couple of major problems I see with this system:
1) Once you have a character involved with enough ranks in Sexual Prowess, especially once a few synergy bonuses get involved, why even bother rolling? With the highest DC apparently a 20, success is guaranteed.
2) There's very little sense of build-up. Partners are ready to go, they have sex, they make their rolls, they had fun, party's over.

Basically, it's a very simple system, but it's so abstract that any sense of the action is really lost. It'd be like the equivalent of reducing combat to JUST one to-hit roll: "Did I hit the dragon? Yay! He's dead!" While it leaves almost every detail to roleplaying (which, I admit, can be a good thing), it falls a bit flat on the simulation side.

I'm not saying it's bad, really. Like I said, it's extremely simple. It's just that, for me at least, that simplicity leaves me wanting more... like my partner just finished and got up and left just as I'm ready to go.


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posted October 23, 2001 10:24 PM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
D20 is a simple rules system.
Just as there is no parry and riposte armour absorbtion and other "realistic" combat rules so there should not be highly complicated sex rules.
Once again D20 is not simulation of anything but rather an abstraction and as abstraction these rules work excellently.

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posted October 23, 2001 11:03 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bramadan:
D20 is a simple rules system.
Just as there is no parry and riposte armour absorbtion and other "realistic" combat rules so there should not be highly complicated sex rules.
Once again D20 is not simulation of anything but rather an abstraction and as abstraction these rules work excellently.

But as I said, D20 hasn't reduced combat down to "make a hit roll to kill the enemy". It's a contest of of skill (to hit rolls) and endurance (hit points). Sex is much the same way. A sexual encounter isn't just a matter of checking to see if your skill is enough to bring your partner to orgasm. It takes time and effort, and is an ongoing process. For example, oral sex isn't always used to bring a partner immediately to orgasm, but rather to warm them up with foreplay. Under the simplified rules, there's no real way to represent that. Especially with regard to performing on males, oral sex is either good enough to bring a partner to orgasm, or it isn't. There's no room for it bringing a partner closer to orgasm (except where women are involved, and then it's just one of three consecutive checks.)

It's possible for rules to be too simple as easily as they can be too complex. Personally, I find these rules to be too simple. I'm not saying that they're bad rules -- they're definitely functional -- but I don't know how well they capture the flavor of a sexual encounter. For running a quick-and-dirty encounter, though, they'd probably be sufficient.

I guess it all comes down to how much detail you want for representing sex with D20 rules.


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posted October 24, 2001 12:13 AM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmm, I like the system, Riot Gear. Seems like the adaption to the prestige classes will just be a matter of requiring them to have specific skill selections.

I guess if simplified sex is what you want, perhaps you could do something kind of like what I was getting at. Suppose each person had a number of points, let's call them Sexual Resistance Points (yeah, SRP, how original) equal to their Wisdom score. Each use of a Sexual Prowess skill would deal a set amount of SRP damage. When you reach 0, you have to begin making Orgasm Saves or reach climax. This draws things out a bit longer, doesn't really add anything new to the system, and still keeps it simple.

Like dealing temporary Wis damage without lowering your effective Wis for spellcasting. Both partners can just "go at it" so to speak, trading techniques based on whatever their original initiative is. Sex as combat? Fitting

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posted October 24, 2001 12:26 AM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was just looking over the most recent document update of the working rules and I had a thought about a few possible prestige classes. Personally I'm thinking, "Why not have one that is keyed to each core class?"

Here's what I was seeing:

  • Barbarian - Ravager
  • Bard - Pimp
  • Cleric - Chaste Virgin
  • Druid - Beguiler
  • Fighter - Dominatrix
  • Monk - Tantric Master
  • Paladin - ?
  • Ranger - ?
  • Rogue - Seducer
  • Sorcerer - Tentacle Master
  • Wizard - Houri
  • Psion - Controller (name change from psiducer)

Quotes for each of them:

  • Ravager - "Come one over, I ain't picky..."
  • Pimp - "What's your pleasure tonight?"
  • Chaste Virgin - "Abstinence is the only solution!"
  • Beguiler - "On sip and you fall deeply in love."
  • Seducer - "Love... my greatest weapon."
  • Controller - "I own you. Mind, body, and soul."

Here's a general class basic:

The ravager is the kind of person that will screw anything with two legs and a pulse (and some without!). His/her specialty is getting way out of control during sex or courtship.

The pimp deals in sex, usually running a prostitution ring or acting as the master gigalo/prostitue. Pimps also have a way of getting just what they want, especially is violence is involved.

Caste Virgins are bastions of purity. They are the masters of resisting all things sexual, and basically are the antithesis of much of the material in the guide thus far.

Beguilers specialize in using potions, herbs, and philters to cause arousal, love, or other erotic impulses in others. They are innately connected to the natural sensuality of the environment and use it to their benefit.

Seducers use emotions of others to their benefit. They specialize in tricking others into falling for them, then using that trust to exploit the other person. Their skills make them professional lovers by necessity, and resistant to seduction by others through need.

Controllers basically fit the entire "mind control" story on the internet. They specialize in implanting suggestions, reshaping forms to be better suited to their desires, and causing actions in others that normally wouldn't happen. I don't know if anyone is doing a "psiducer" right now - if not I'd take a stab at this.

I'm more than willing to do these PCs once the final sex rules are laid down and I know what requirements/bonuses I can give them. Shouldn't take me too long, as I've done a crapload of PCs lately for my own campaign and have it down to a science.

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posted October 24, 2001 12:56 AM     Profile for Tanilen   Author's Homepage   Email Tanilen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gee, write a few fantasy stories featuring a little non consensual sex, and everyone pegs you as the s&m guy. . . .cool ^o~ Actually, if you think I am bad, you should see some of the other contributors who had worked on our book (just look at the list of contributors in the first part of the page, I’m sure you can tell who I mean just by his name).

Anyways, the DC’s provided in my rules were only for reference use, and scalable per DM. The main ,er, thrust, of the system is the opposed skill checks that are used in a sexual encounter. If Anya is performing fellatio on Kerrith, they both roll their sexual prowess checks---if Kerrith rolls higher, he maintains his composure, and if Anya rolls higher, she raises his arousal level on notch. The DC’s would only play two potential roles in a system like this: Kerrith has no intention of resisting Anya’s attempts, or they both roll so low, that while Anya does beat Kerrith in the opposed skill check, she still did not exhibit sufficient skill to bring about the desired result.

One of the problems with my rules and netbook, and I do apologize for it, is that the rules for the succeeding levels of arousal were written back in May, almost 6 months after the rules system was written down, and I may not have done a good job of incorporating it into the existing text. I do warn you—inconsistencies like this may be frequent in the document.

Anyways, the best thing to do is create a few simple scenarios and roll them out, like in our examples, and present that with your rules. It makes it easier to grasp the rules, first off, and also lets you know how well or how clunky your rules may be. I learned this the hard way—the first system I created required something like 20 rounds to do a simple one on one scene, nothing fancy. From there, I was able to start pruning down.

As for the length of a round, I think we settled on one minute intervals for purposes of making the check, though some of the contributors felt that a round took as long as the action needed to do. But 6 seconds is definitely TOO short, and 30 seconds. . .well, that means it would take 10 rounds and 10 rolls of the dice to resolve a simple standard 5 minute wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am encounter.

And finally, as to the relative realism of any of the rules, especially those in my book and especially those pertaining to non-consensual sex, well, it is all fantasy. Perhaps it would be a good idea to continue keeping the books separate, aimed at different crowds, but with a free exchange of ideas? I say this because it seems that a lot of what I am focusing on is too raunchy, too hentai, for a lot of the contributors here on EN. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. I think we can all benefit from exchanging ideas while still working on projects that are aimed at different crowds.

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"I drank what?"


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posted October 24, 2001 02:20 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ialdabode:
[QB]I was just looking over the most recent document update of the working rules and I had a thought about a few possible prestige classes. Personally I'm thinking, "Why not have one that is keyed to each core class?"

Here's what I was seeing:

  • Barbarian - Ravager
  • Bard - Pimp
  • Cleric - Chaste Virgin
  • Druid - Beguiler
  • Fighter - Dominatrix
  • Monk - Tantric Master
  • Paladin - ?
  • Ranger - ?
  • Rogue - Seducer
  • Sorcerer - Tentacle Master
  • Wizard - Houri
  • Psion - Controller (name change from psiducer)

[QB]


Paladin - Guardian of Virtue ?
(true love is important, use of magic to seduce others is evil in most cases, virgin priestesses should be protected to stay that way, arts of fertility gods should not be abused and they should only be used to futher good and healing, sex is great, but loveless sex is likely to lead into corrution, consistant loving sex is beautiful, raping is evil)

Cleric - only Chaste Virgin? How about all those priests/priestesses of fertility, ectstasy or otherwise 'fun' gods/goddesses?

How about something like this?


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posted October 24, 2001 02:53 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Several thinks:

Isawa: I like your rules very much, because by now, they incorporate a lot of real problems in an easy way.

Riot Gear: The new technique description are very nice (to say the least), and the system of Tanilen is very simple and straight forward and very in line with other skill-rules.

As I am more of a realism DM (with house-rules for armor absorbtion, hit location and all nasty magic and psionics), I would probably go for a mix of Isawas rules with Riot Gears maneuvers and a side bar with additional material to make it simple a la Tanilen.
But I think, we should realy think about it very hard and vote (either by thread or by polling).

Something different: As I wrote on another thread, I contacted the original Guide Creator (or more a person, who knows him).
The words of the GC are:

"You can okay anybody making changes to any of the guides. I don't use
them anymore so if people want to enjoy them and do stuff to them, that
is fine with me."


And I have put a draft section on the page (I will include Tanilens and Riot gears new rules as soon as possible there).


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posted October 24, 2001 02:55 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tanilen:
Gee, write a few fantasy stories featuring a little non consensual sex, and everyone pegs you as the s&m guy. . . .cool

As for the length of a round, I think we settled on one minute intervals for purposes of making the check, though some of the contributors felt that a round took as long as the action needed to do. But 6 seconds is definitely TOO short, and 30 seconds. . .well, that means it would take 10 rounds and 10 rolls of the dice to resolve a simple standard 5 minute wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am encounter.

I say this because it seems that a lot of what I am focusing on is too raunchy, too hentai, for a lot of the contributors here on EN. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. I think we can all benefit from exchanging ideas while still working on projects that are aimed at different crowds.


Tanilen: Did I miss something? I don't recall anyone here saying you are s&m anything.

I don't think, lenght of round is the issue, but how often checks are made. Some effects don't last that long, some last longer, same goes for stimulis (some take longer to actually come to effect, others might cause immediate reactions).

Certain pace changing naturally happens during sex, but that doesn't usually affect arousal level immediatly, but after some time, if this stimulus continues. Actual changes, like using Sex Tricks, casting a spell, stopping for a while, changing position and so would require new rolls.

Length of round itself should not be altered IMO, cause it would affect use of magic and other such talents, because they are 6-second round based.

Check times could be listed seperately for different actions.

Like casting a spell (very fast, 6 seconds or less typically)
Giving a blow job (test every minute or so)

Tanilen: Hope you still stay around.

There isn't too hentai IMO, only bad hentai and personally preferable hentai.


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posted October 24, 2001 03:16 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Several thinks:

Something different: As I wrote on another thread, I contacted the original Guide Creator (or more a person, who knows him).
The words of the GC are:

"You can okay anybody making changes to any of the guides. I don't use
them anymore so if people want to enjoy them and do stuff to them, that
is fine with me."


This is great news.

I'd like us to have more realistic rules, with some simpler version of them usable in more regular games.

Also, there should be rule-section for more hentai-like games, which might not be always unrealistic, but where very rare things IRL are very common.

However, since this is supposed to be guide to D&D, fantasy elements should be strongly incorporated. Magic (or psionics) will be used, supernatural creatures are met, and weird stuff is likely to happen.

In very low magic middle-age world, there probably might be Madame Lavina's bordello, where tired, not always attractive woman work their backs off, where enjoynment might occur, but herphes is more likely.

In typical D&D world, that is not the typical idea IMO.

We can discuss this futher, if anyone is intrested.


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posted October 24, 2001 03:50 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

My Rogue/Sorcerer future looks very grim.

Seducer/Tentacle Master (!) ?

What a dark, dark fate, heading right toward hentai plots, eeech, somebody save me!


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posted October 24, 2001 03:52 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just notices:
I think, we need to include the credits of the first guide, at least for the spells.

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posted October 24, 2001 04:03 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
And go to http://members.home.net/gwynn/carnalguide/

Gwynn has done the old Guide as HTML with some realy funny art.


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posted October 24, 2001 06:39 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ialdabode: how fast can you do these PrCs

Tanilen: I think, that we still should work together. Doing the more soft sex part as the regular stuff and putting hentai-boxes all over the book. (Somehow, the old guide provided both, the dirty little bits and the rather nice rules.) What do you think?

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posted October 24, 2001 07:22 AM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow, there's alot of activity going on today. Need time to read everything thoroughly.

Ialdabode: Need any help with the PrCs? A few of those ideas I've already thought about.


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posted October 24, 2001 07:30 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Ialdabode: how fast can you do these PrCs

Tanelin: I think, that we still should work together. Doing the more soft sex part as the regular stuff and putting hentai-boxes all over the book. (Somehow, the old guide provided both, the dirty little bits and the rather nice rules.) What do you think?



I think we need some variation to 'priestly' prestige classes. We have all those nice kinky domains, so why we should only have this frigid bastion of purity, the most boring of priestly stereotypes.

Ok, we want that too, since it is such a classical stereotype. But I think we should go for at least two other classes.

Good cleric curing world with free good sex, helping couples with pleasure spells, love spells, and fertility spells.

and

Evil cleric, who is somewhat clerical version of that psionist class, manipulative, abusive, and doing it for power and personal pleasure and gain. Not sadist by defination, but rather corruptor.

Otherwise our good domains will be wasted.

What you think?

I agree btw, what you say to Tanelin. More hardcore and 'evil' ideas give great spice to this kind of book. But certain separation in presentation makes ideas of our work usable to those, who don't want to include some of that hentai-styles more perverse stuff. And possibilities of magic and alien creatures create great possibilities for creative hentai-type material, so I am positive such material (yeh, yeh, the 'evil' ones too), just begs to be included.

Nobody's gonna publish this anyway.

Thought maybe they might in Japan, if it is kinky enough.

Don't run off just yet Tanelin, I found your great netsite long before you found us.

Kolver stayed. Love you.


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posted October 24, 2001 07:48 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Kolvar:
And go to http://members.home.net/gwynn/carnalguide/

Gwynn has done the old Guide as HTML with some realy funny art.


Hehehe

Gotta love the art.


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posted October 24, 2001 07:58 AM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Isawa, while there are only a few checks involved in the process, keep in mind that the DC's of these checks will start crazy high, and I will be adding ways to keep things going. You'll be able to simulate an hour long tantric love fest with the rules when I finish em' - It'll just take forever.

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posted October 24, 2001 07:58 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Tanilen:
Anyways, the best thing to do is create a few simple scenarios and roll them out, like in our examples, and present that with your rules. It makes it easier to grasp the rules, first off, and also lets you know how well or how clunky your rules may be. I learned this the hard way—the first system I created required something like 20 rounds to do a simple one on one scene, nothing fancy. From there, I was able to start pruning down.

That's a good idea. I think I'll start working some examples into my document.

quote:

As for the length of a round, I think we settled on one minute intervals for purposes of making the check, though some of the contributors felt that a round took as long as the action needed to do. But 6 seconds is definitely TOO short, and 30 seconds. . .well, that means it would take 10 rounds and 10 rolls of the dice to resolve a simple standard 5 minute wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am encounter.

*nods* Just last night I was thinking about extending the period to a minute, for easier tracking than if nothing else. This clinches it!

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And finally, as to the relative realism of any of the rules, especially those in my book and especially those pertaining to non-consensual sex, well, it is all fantasy. Perhaps it would be a good idea to continue keeping the books separate, aimed at different crowds, but with a free exchange of ideas? I say this because it seems that a lot of what I am focusing on is too raunchy, too hentai, for a lot of the contributors here on EN. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. I think we can all benefit from exchanging ideas while still working on projects that are aimed at different crowds.

While I can understand the concerns of the EN crew, I also understand the different audiences involved. If we write an R-rated guide, then at the very least we should offer an NC-17-rated supplement with the hentai variant rules. That way, anyone who just wants rules for more standard sex can download the main rules, and those who are more adventurous can download the more explicit supplement.


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posted October 24, 2001 07:58 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That I stayed was probably the worst mistake, I did the last three years (apart from moving to a small village in Bavaria).
It was either quitting or doing more.
Now, I got barely time to prepare my rpg-group.

By the way, can someone do something about oriental sex (Geisha comes to mind, but harems and other stuff should be discussed, too).


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posted October 24, 2001 08:05 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The idea with the supplement seems OK, although we will get problems with the spells (which ones belong to what).
Or we could do a web-enhancement (g).

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I enthusiastically vote for NC-17 rated guide. In the immortal words of Woody Allen, "Sex is dirty when you do it right." Let's do it right.

I can tweak my rules to work with 1 minute rounds no problem. Expect to see them edited later today.

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posted October 24, 2001 08:47 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
By the way: could someone enlighten me: what does R-rated imply (I know pg 13) We do it a little different here.
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quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
I enthusiastically vote for NC-17 rated guide. In the immortal words of Woody Allen, "Sex is dirty when you do it right." Let's do it right.

I can tweak my rules to work with 1 minute rounds no problem. Expect to see them edited later today.


Yeh, I don't feel nerding out of this.

This is not done for little kids anyway, or closed-minded people.


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