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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 06:30 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
bummer, I forgot to ask:
Riot Gear, Oddjob, Zelda: I have put my email as a contact-email on the page. Do you wish, That I put your email-adress on there, too?

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Zelda Themelin
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posted October 22, 2001 06:55 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
bummer, I forgot to ask:
Riot Gear, Oddjob, Zelda: I have put my email as a contact-email on the page. Do you wish, That I put your email-adress on there, too?

If you want to, but since my english is not that good, I might not even try to answer anything too complicated.

Oh, and my mail-address was:

zelda@olen.to

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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 08:01 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
would be nice to
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posted October 22, 2001 08:50 AM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My email is rico@satx.rr.com. Feel free. also, I like what you guys have produced! Let's work together.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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posted October 22, 2001 09:56 AM     Profile for oddjob   Email oddjob     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My e-mail is kai.yau@ic.ac.uk or kaimyau@hotmail.com.

I haven't read all the stuff by Tanelin yet, but I'm sure it will be a good merger with our stuff.


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posted October 22, 2001 10:17 AM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If anybody's interested, I'll put together a more complete and polished version of the "sexual duel" system I posted yesterday as an alternative to SRPs. I'll see if I can incorporate the sex tricks into it as well.

Let me know.


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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 10:54 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Do it, each new rules variant may help to find the Ultimate Rule of Sex.
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posted October 22, 2001 11:49 AM     Profile for Tanilen   Author's Homepage   Email Tanilen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I would love the chance to work with everyone here and incorporate the 2 projects, but I need to contact my other co-creators first; I don't want to make any decisions w/o them.

At the very least, I would like to encourage the free exchange of ideas, even if two different netbooks are written, but I really don’t think anyone will have a problem merging.

Just something to point out, the contributors to our netbook are all writers of net fantasy erotica, so our aim to write rules that allow us to do rpg's based on the stories we read and write. I mention this only in case you notice, while reading it, an emphasis on non consensual sexual situations. That’s actually why I was poking around in this forum in the first place =) , I am working on rules for domination/enslavement (non-magical) and I was looking to see if anyone had done expanded rules for Intimidation. If anyone would like to help me with these rules or has ideas, drop me a line at tanilen@yahoo.com and I will e-mail you the file I have so far.

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"I drank what?"


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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 11:55 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Great!
I poked around your site (old habits don't die) and, yes, I know what you mean (g).
I do not thinnk, that anybody got problems with that, as long as we do the not so explicit parts, too (I see people, that will complain about both).
If we come together, we should probably have a chat, because I think, to judge our ideas through postings will be a bit tireing.

Zelda: you did some very nasty spells. Are you interested in doing stuff about sexual domination?


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posted October 22, 2001 12:27 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Quick Note:

Perhaps we could have a Sexual Prowess skill that works similarly to Perform. Each new rank you get a new "trick" but each trick is still just a skill check, not a mini feat. Other relevant abilities:

Knowledge (Sexual Position) could give Synergy bonuses to a specific position.

Knowledge (Species Anatomy) could give synergy bonuses to dealing with a species.

Profession (Whore) should offer synergy bonuses to Bluff (Seduction) checks and cetain Sexual Prowess subabilities.

Concentratrion should make it possible to avoid climax, recover from sex, or resist pleasure, except you'd use Wisdom rather than Constitution for some checks.

Escape Artist and Use Rope could be important in some situations.

What do you think?

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 12:32 PM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sounds good. What do you intend to do about the SRP?
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posted October 22, 2001 12:45 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'll probably come up with something close to Ken Hoods No Hit Points system. I might even steal it wholesale.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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Kolvar
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posted October 22, 2001 12:48 PM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, than I know, what I got to do next weekend (I had feared, that I would find time for my family)
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posted October 22, 2001 01:16 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, about halfway done with the "Sexual Duel" sex system. What format would be best for everyone? Right now I'm working in Word 2000. Would a Word 2000 Doc be okay?

Just a heads-up: here's what I've got so far:

1) Updated Sexual Technique Skill
2) Sexual Duel rules for one-on-one and multiple partners
3) New/updated Sexual Tricks for the system


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posted October 22, 2001 01:42 PM     Profile for Vaxalon   Author's Homepage   Email Vaxalon     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
NO! Word documents are as risky as a five-dollar trollop. Viruses galore! Use Rich Text Format at the very least.

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Isawa_Sideshow
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posted October 22, 2001 01:53 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vaxalon:
NO! Word documents are as risky as a five-dollar trollop. Viruses galore! Use Rich Text Format at the very least.

Good point.

Anyway, here's what I have so far:
Alternate Sex Rules

Still working on circumstances that would modify the rolls involved, but the core of the system is right there.


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posted October 22, 2001 03:17 PM     Profile for Ialdabode   Email Ialdabode     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here's an idea I got reading this that may help achieving the ultimate final system.

This is a near-wholesale rip off of Psionic Combat.

Supposing you use Sexual Prowess keyed to the learning of a new trick for each rank, the act itself would basically be opposed Sexual Prowess checks. Basically, the object is to make the other person finish (this still needs some work, but it's a quick idea).

Sex is tied into both the Wisdom and Constitution scores. Con represents your ability to keep going, Wis represents your ability to resist completion.

Each "round" you make opposed Sexual Prowess checks. The winner goes on offense (an attempt to bring the other to completion), the loser goes on defense (an attempt to hold out longer). The loser needs to make a Will save to resist an amount of temporary Wisdom damage. The DC of the save is determined by a second Sexual Prowess check by the winner. The winner can attempt a specific trick (which sets a success DC for the roll). If the winner fails his trick attempt, the save DC is just the result of the winner's skill check. If the trick attempt succeeds, not only is the save DC the result of the skill check, but it is modified upwards by a bonus amount the trick grants. Should the loser succeed in the Will save, the winner takes an amount of temporary Con damage equal to that which would have been dealt to the loser's Wisdom. Additionally, each "round" inflicts one point of temporary Con damage to both parties.

A person reduced to an effective Wis of 0 reaches climax. A person reduced to an effective Con of 0 is exhausted. Note that in both cases, the ability score is NOT reduced to 0. The temporary damage disappears after one person finishes or cannot continue.

So, the skill check is modified by Cha (I'm assuming), and Wis and Con come into play as well in the act.

Does that make any sense?

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As for listing my name or email for "contributions" I've made, no need to. Most of what I've said are suggestions or ideas. I'll just GIVE you them outright without any need to credit me

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posted October 22, 2001 03:40 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Also, my wife is an aspiring fantasy artist with a couple of published pieces under her belt and wants to know what kinds of illustrations you might be needing for the netbook.
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posted October 22, 2001 08:39 PM     Profile for Isawa_Sideshow   Author's Homepage   Email Isawa_Sideshow     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, I've updated again:

Alternate Sex Rules, v0.2

What's New:
- Sexual Threshold -- how many rounds can you hold off before risk of orgasm
- A note on sex and the undead (ewwwww....)
- More sexual tricks
- The Sexual Duel system and states of arousal
- Updated rules on unwilling partners
- Virginal partners

Let me know if anything looks like it needs adjustment, rebalancing, etc., or if you just have any suggestions. Also, pass along any ideas for artwork -- my wife's already working on getting her circle of artist friends interested in contributing.


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posted October 22, 2001 09:20 PM     Profile for Riot Gear   Email Riot Gear     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
One relatively clean thing we could use is equipment illustrations. If you have any of the class books, you'll notice a small set of pictures showing the various new pieces of equipment. When we make the new equipment, it would be convenient if someone would draw it.

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I love maces, I really do. That crunch noise is just SO satisfying, and the flying shards of bloody bone - Well, that's just icing on the cake.


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posted October 23, 2001 01:09 AM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Riot Gear:
Quick Note:

Perhaps we could have a Sexual Prowess skill that works similarly to Perform. Each new rank you get a new "trick" but each trick is still just a skill check, not a mini feat. Other relevant abilities:

Knowledge (Sexual Position) could give Synergy bonuses to a specific position.

Knowledge (Species Anatomy) could give synergy bonuses to dealing with a species.

Profession (Whore) should offer synergy bonuses to Bluff (Seduction) checks and cetain Sexual Prowess subabilities.

Concentratrion should make it possible to avoid climax, recover from sex, or resist pleasure, except you'd use Wisdom rather than Constitution for some checks.

Escape Artist and Use Rope could be important in some situations.

What do you think?


Sounds great to me but i would still call it Perform [sexual technique] just to keep in line with standard rules.


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posted October 23, 2001 02:41 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I personally do still not like to put sex under perform, because of the way, the perform skill is handled.

I am thinking about doing a poll on the guide page, although I do not know what to ask at the moment. What do you think?

Isawa_Sideshow: We could use some pictures which ilustrate pregnancy. A nice cover, some header.

By the way, our sys-admin just told us, not to use rtf, because they are unsave, too.
On the other side, all files, you get from me are written on a corporate machine (with firewall, virus check etc.). It is not completely save, but what is (I would like to use pdf only, but the overhead is to great and with viruses like nimda, you even may get it over activeX while browsing).
Still using Netscape (unless I want to go to ENWorld, where it crashes constantly).


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posted October 23, 2001 02:52 AM     Profile for bramadan   Email bramadan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here is another feat:

Orgiastic ritual [sex magic]:

You can enhance your Combined Ritual Casting by engaging in sex with others from your casting group. Each successful sexual performance check at DC 15 reduces the DC for Ritual Casting check by 1. However, failing the check by more then 5 (not making DC 10 on sexual performance check) causes an immediate extra Ritual casting check at normal DC. As long as one person in a ritual group has a feat it applies to the whole group, however, only one coupling between any two partners count for the bonus (they can still gain bonuses by coupling with others in the group but not with each other).

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posted October 23, 2001 03:40 AM     Profile for Kolvar   Author's Homepage   Email Kolvar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Isawa:
I got some problems with your rules:
- How long is a round (if a round in this case is as long as a combat round (6 seconds) most people will have to make a save after about 30 seconds.)
- male will be able to have it again as fast as female (eays fix)
- what happens, if someone tortures someone else by withholding the final touch (teasing and teasing, but not allowing to orgasm)
- I sill would call the states of arousal conditions. Although: at the moment, the system has no use for these states.
- the unwilling partners part is very hentai. I do not think, that a lot woman will have an orgasm, if they are raped (with male, it is different, but rape of males is a chapter of its own). Even if they are not raped but only pretend to be willing they will pretend to have an orgasm (and will not get one at all by their partner).
- a lot of virginal partners may get no orgasm at all. They are hurt more than pleased.

I like the basic mechanics, (especially, that you may use fortitude or will for the save.)
Two additional thought:
- Maybe the threshold only applies to excited partners (therefore unwilling partners will not begin accumulate save-DC-modifications at all.) (to get someone excited could be a function of seduction).
- It should be possible to botch a sexual technique check, lowering the DC, raising the threshold or lowering the state again.


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posted October 23, 2001 04:10 AM     Profile for Zelda Themelin   Email Zelda Themelin     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kolvar:
Zelda: you did some very nasty spells. Are you interested in doing stuff about sexual domination?

Well, I really am not that well versed in the area, but I sure can help and share my ideas.

I'd probably want have a bit clearer idea what kind of things you would want be to come up with.

And I have a bit of a language barrier, so long and complicated texts I am able to read, but not write myself.


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